M&P 10mm?

[sstewart]

Somebody in S&W management doesn't want to hear it. It appears it goes back to the effort they put into the 10mm and the 10xx handguns with the FBI. Maybe He lost face when they had to create the .40 S&W. I was told 1-2 years ago that the reps had taken this message back from the S&W dealers that they wanted a 10mm M&P pistol.
They where told to shut up about it if the wanted to keep their jobs.

[Kenk]

Typical response unfortunately

Ken

[blaster]

I still can't understand it.  I imagine it would not be hard to do at all on an existing .45 frame. its not like they would have to design it from the ground up. why would they not want to make $?

[Bongo Boy]

The topic certainly comes up from time to time, for sure.  I imagine interests among us vary a lot--I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in any single stack or 1911 offering, I don't think, but if they could do an M&P 2.0 compact in 10, I'd buy one as soon as possible.  I don't know what the big deal is for them...they can produce those monster wheelguns that must cost a fortune to manufacture--that 5 people want--but not an M&P?  Seems like an attitude problem to me, not a manufacturing/marketing one 

[Graybeard]

The topic certainly comes up from time to time, for sure.  I imagine interests among us vary a lot--I wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in any single stack or 1911 offering, I don't think, but if they could do an M&P 2.0 compact in 10, I'd buy one as soon as possible.  I don't know what the big deal is for them...they can produce those monster wheelguns that must cost a fortune to manufacture--that 5 people want--but not an M&P?  Seems like an attitude problem to me, not a manufacturing/marketing one 

I would agree. Last year a 5 shot .44mag was introduced that was marginally smaller than their 6 shot offerings, as a hunter/backpacker bear gun. Who's going to ditch their 6 shot .44 mag for one of those? The engineering/parts changes to make that happen for very limited sales make no sense.

S&W ditched the 357sig in the 9/40 sized guns over an alleged premature wear issue. A little research shows that may have been more politically motivated by police departments than an actual problem. If the smaller frame/slide could handle .357sig, why wouldn't the .45 version handle 10mm? The XDM made that transition with no apparent failures so far and the rear rails are polymer!

Why they can't start with an M&P .45, fab up a barrel and some mags, beef up the springs a little, and get to testing is beyond me. Glock and Springfield are eating their lunch.

[Kenk]

I'd totally buy one 😀

[sstewart]

There you go being logical.
I see Sig doing a  10mm 320 before S&W does a 10mm M&P.


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[Bongo Boy]

There you go being logical.
I see Sig doing a  10mm 320 before S&W does a 10mm M&P.

Yeah I'd have to go with that prediction, too.  The situation isn't a dire one, though--I find I now have far more 10mm shooting options than I can find time to shoot (or to handload), so at this point I sure can't complain.  I really could use a compact double stack alternative to the G29, though, and I think my 10mm needs would be complete.

[sqlbullet]

What am I missing?  The modular 320 series is based around a max COAL of 1.169".  10mm won't fit without a complete re-design, which would result in a new model designation using Sig's typical practice.

While I agree that Sig is more likely to come out with a new modular "large" frame to support 45 ACP and 10mm than S&W is to add 10mm to the M&P line, I don't see either as likely.

[sstewart]

They have a .45 frame that's larger. Technically out of production. Sig's been focused on 9mm because of military contracts but the platform supports it.


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[sstewart]

I own a .45 320 compact carry


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[sqlbullet]

That is what I was missing.  Thanks!

[sparkyv]

I'm really glad they did.  I really enjoy my recently acquired M610.

Smith isn't interested in doing anything that is the slightest risk or unique. They only did the 610 cause they kept seeing the insane prices original 610s were commanding.

I just KNEW someone with facts would obliterate my dreams!  I guess I'll have to settle for the XDM.

What am I missing?  The modular 320 series is based around a max COAL of 1.169".  10mm won't fit without a complete re-design, which would result in a new model designation using Sig's typical practice.

While I agree that Sig is more likely to come out with a new modular "large" frame to support 45 ACP and 10mm than S&W is to add 10mm to the M&P line, I don't see either as likely.

[gnappi]

Somebody in S&W management doesn't want to hear it. It appears it goes back to the effort they put into the 10mm and the 10xx handguns with the FBI. Maybe He lost face when they had to create the .40 S&W. I was told 1-2 years ago that the reps had taken this message back from the S&W dealers that they wanted a 10mm M&P pistol.
They where told to shut up about it if the wanted to keep their jobs.

Not to start a 9mm vs. 4x caliber bullets... If I remember my history correctly, S&W did not HAVE to create the .40.

What I was told happened was when the "Fed lite" 10mm at something like 900-950 fps with sub 200 grain bullets was seen to meet the FBI requirements, S&W saw an opportunity to shorten the case and used a double stack 9mm type frame with circumference dimensions no larger that the Delta or 10mm, and the .40 became the darling of LEO's. That is until new "improved" 9mm loadings with higher capacities came about. It also did not help that a polymer gun was being artfully marketed to the LEO market. Then the 40 got the moniker 40 Short and weak.

I'll say this about the .40. At my last USPSA match long ago it was a windy day and the poppers kept being blown down. The range guys kept moving the adjustment screw so the poppers leaned more into the wind. When the poppers stopped falling from the wind, not one 9mm could knock the poppers down without 2,3 or 4 rapid shots to the popper where .40's and .45's did not have an issue with a knockdown, one shot, popper down.

At bowling pins I saw less dead wood from .40's, .45's and .357 mags than 9's.

Short and weak? Not in my experience. If it doesn't start with a 4, I'm not interested.

[Bongo Boy]

What read somewhere from somebody, that may or may not be true, is that the return to 9mm from 40SW in law enforcement is simply a matter of cost. Again, this may be conjecture—as I doubt too many folks know the facts on the topic across the spectrum of 'law enforcement', and I doubt the reasons for the move are the same for all cities/departments.

The assertion does make sense, to me, as I can see cost is far more important than any arguments regarding effectiveness. But, given no military and police units will EVER be buying 10mm, Smith may find it contradictory to their marketing strategy to offer an "M&P" in a caliber that will never be sold to m&p. That's fine, call it something else, or just be okay with selling more M&P products to civilians than you sell to M&P.

I did say I've got no shortage of 10mm pistols. But, I DO have a shortage of them that feel like they were made for any human hand. An M&P would fill that void.