Hot reloads ring of fire

[Lorditet]

I own a Ruger 10mm 1911. I reload my own ammo and tried several bullet weights and vihtavouri powders. I have maxed the capacity of a 10mm casing and blew out the primers. I'm trying to get ring of fire like magnum calibers or just big flames. I was learned that slow powder and light bullet weight was the answer but i failed to find the perfect reload data. Anyone got any ideas?

[tommac919]

If your blowing out primers , be careful before you go boom and damage your gun/hand/etc

[Kenk]

If you are looking for the big flash, give  Blue Dot  a try : )

Ken

[sqlbullet]

Could you share your actual load data?  The statement 'maxed the capacity' sounds like a compressed charge, but VV doesn't list any compressed charges in 10mm auto.

That said, I would look to AA#9 max loads if muzzle flash was my goal.  It is really just a touch too slow for 10mm.

[texasandy]

I'm trying to get ring of fire like magnum calibers or just big flames.

If your blowing out primers , be careful before you go boom and damage your gun/hand/etc

mmmmm... yeah I've got mixed feelings about this whole venture. Firearms are definitly fun but not toys. Maybe a toy cannon that fired wads would be a safer alternative to hot loads just for the sake of muzzle blast. Just my two, of course, you make your own calls.

[The_Shadow]

Lorditet, Not sure why you are trying to accomplish the fire ring as most pistol powders are somewhat flash suppressed. 

Now that being said we have noticed bright white flash from Alliant Power Pistol, Alliant Blue Dot tends to be less bright more to the yellowish orange flash.
Powders Like Accurate Arms / Accurate while they claim flash suppressed they exhibit and orange color.

What you are seeing with the heavy "Magnum Cartridges" is the powder gases are reigniting as the escape into more oxygenated air.   They usually loaded with very dense powders, as the burn they consume their oxygen content in the powder, but as they burn the heat continues to produce high volumes of gas.  Hodgdon's  H-110/ W296 & Lil-Gun powders are main stays for many magnum cartridges and require very heavy crimps to allow their ignition which consumes most of their oxygen content but then when the extreme amounts of heated gases exit the barrel they tend to reignite in the oxygen rich air...

[Lorditet]

13,5 grain vv 3n38 with a 140 grain bullet if I rememeber it right

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[Lorditet]

Cant find Alliant powder in my country. Only vv,lovex and norma.
I once shoot a Coonan 357 and fell in love in the fire ring.  No Coonan here so I bought a 10mm instead

[Lorditet]

Lorditet, Not sure why you are trying to accomplish the fire ring as most pistol powders are somewhat flash suppressed. 

Now that being said we have noticed bright white flash from Alliant Power Pistol, Alliant Blue Dot tends to be less bright more to the yellowish orange flash.
Powders Like Accurate Arms / Accurate while they claim flash suppressed they exhibit and orange color.

What you are seeing with the heavy "Magnum Cartridges" is the powder gases are reigniting as the escape into more oxygenated air.   They usually loaded with very dense powders, as the burn they consume their oxygen content in the powder, but as they burn the heat continues to produce high volumes of gas.  Hodgdon's  H-110/ W296 & Lil-Gun powders are main stays for many magnum cartridges and require very heavy crimps to allow their ignition which consumes most of their oxygen content but then when the extreme amounts of heated gases exit the barrel they tend to reignite in the oxygen rich air...

You sound like you know what you are talking about.
Can you help me a little bit more? "Dense" is slow burning powder or fast?
If I crimp harder its gonna be more fire?

[The_Shadow]

Lorditet, These Dense slow burning powders are usually too slow for the 10mm and unburned powder just blows out the barrel. 
Excessive crimping with 10mm is not good as the crimped area may get pushed pas the end of the chamber cut.  That may not happen, but for some reason if it did the crimp being past the end of chamber cut can cause excessive pressures as it could not release the bullet.  Heavy crimps can also lead to failure to feed if the case gets pushed down and outward exceeding the proper dimensions, that can also lead to loose bullet fit or disrupts bullet accuracy down range.

All that being said there are many who have had good fire balls using heavy doses of Blue Dot, given lighting conditions, whether your eyes are wide open for the shot, or if filming, what the timing of the shutter is at the time...therefore you may or may not see the flash.

[Kenk]

Just be careful, blowing out primers sounds like you are nearing a potential bad bad bad problem

Ken

[Lorditet]

Still pictures of video but no good rings.
So a good fire ring is more or less impossible with 10mm?

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[Lorditet]

Sundown

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[Lorditet]

Just be careful, blowing out primers sounds like you are nearing a potential bad bad bad problem

Ken

I have a stronger recoilspring now, 24 I believe. I had original at first but that almost broke then Gun, had to slam it in the table to get in unstuck.
I now only loading 12 grain at most. 13.5 was just to test maximum.

[The_Shadow]

The lack of the ring during the flash is likely the lack of gas volume being expelled vs. actual velocity attained of the expelled gases to roll up the rings...

Looking at the loads and cases you posted you are really pushing that powder beyond the safe limits...

All of the LOVEX powders are said to be somewhat flash suppressed...