Why no Blue Dot Commercial loads?

[The_Shadow]

Yes Blue Dot was said to have some issues at zero and below temps, but I have never seen any thing substantial to support that claim.  I have used Blue Dot in magnum 12 ga. shot shells over the years to hunt ducks and other...The issue about its use in 357 with 125gr I have loaded them in the past with out incident as well.

Blue Dot usually shows lower pressures for a given velocity over many other powders trying to deliver the same velocities...However it can be big Boom sound and more flash.

I still like Blue Dot for many loads but BE-86 has really shown some great numbers using less power...

[Kenk]

For sure, BE-86 I has become on of my favorite 10mm powders as of late

Ken

[Muskrat]

For sure, BE-86 I has become on of my favorite 10mm powders as of late

Ken

Curious...looking at the published data it doesn't seem BE-86 does quite as well as Power Pistol for any given load. Why the love?

Never used it, so really curious as to what it offers other than some flash-suppression...not a big priority for me, as I make it a point to confront all of my miscreants in daylight.

Other than flash suppression, what does BE-86 do that Power Pistol does not do?

[Kenk]

Shadow...

[The_Shadow]

For sure, BE-86 I has become on of my favorite 10mm powders as of late

Ken

Curious...looking at the published data it doesn't seem BE-86 does quite as well as Power Pistol for any given load. Why the love?

Never used it, so really curious as to what it offers other than some flash-suppression...not a big priority for me, as I make it a point to confront all of my miscreants in daylight.

Other than flash suppression, what does BE-86 do that Power Pistol does not do?

The listed loads for BE-86 are low and we have seen Sig Ammo use more and our tested ammo using more than listed brings great velocity with no pressure issues.
While we can obtain more velocity with other powders, BE-86 burns clean, flash suppressed and also have a wide application of bullet weights and cartridge calibers...

[rognp]

Im somewhat puzzled by the info or comments I see regarding things like noise level or flash with BD. Ive used it in 12ga water fowl loads, 20ga waterfowl and pheasant loads. 357mag, 45 Colt, and on occasion in 7mmWSM, 300WSM cast bullet loads. I dont recall seeing excessive flash or excessive noise with it. I will say I have seen others shooting rifle ammo, last case in memory was Russian milsurp 762x54r. I was a hundred yds lateral to them and it was producing flash balls about 3' in diameter. They didnt last long, just long enough to visualize them. The three shooting never saw one of them. Odd, maybe the incandesense wasonly on the outside of the ball.
With the 10mm I use from 10.-11.5 gr with 180gr bullets. At the upper end accuracy sarts to fall off. 6' barrel would produce 1320-1350FPS. Used the heavier load to not have to lie to DNR about the horsepower available. The thing that does worry me though is that the powder Im using now is in a cardboard "can" with the little screw on cap. Theres still about 6 ounces left. The ne cans are the big plastic with big screw on caps. I guess Im going to have to work my loads up again.

[The_Shadow]

I have used quite a bit of Blue Dot over the years...many 1 pound canisters and have 3 empty 5 pounders...

[Muskrat]

I'm still puzzled why Blue Dot isn't used more commercially in 10mm...more than a few people who reload a lot of 10mm go through pounds of Blue Dot, and we can't all be totally ignorant.

[FWP]

I'm still puzzled why Blue Dot isn't used more commercially in 10mm...more than a few people who reload a lot of 10mm go through pounds of Blue Dot, and we can't all be totally ignorant.

It is my favorite powder for the 10mm. It is very accurate in my guns.

[rognp]

I would hazard a guess that in todays business climate a combination of an MBA and a corporate lawyer have decided that a recall even for different cartridges at a different time and perhaps formulation = an unacceptable legal risk. Thats on the order of someone firing a round with even a different powder and the barrel plugged with mud it would still be BlueDots fault. In todays litiginous lottery this may not be as silly as it sounds. A starving lawyer may try to pursue any thing thru the looking glass.

[Popeye212]

I would hazard a guess that in todays business climate a combination of an MBA and a corporate lawyer have decided that a recall even for different cartridges at a different time and perhaps formulation = an unacceptable legal risk. Thats on the order of someone firing a round with even a different powder and the barrel plugged with mud it would still be BlueDots fault. In todays litiginous lottery this may not be as silly as it sounds. A starving lawyer may try to pursue any thing thru the looking glass.

I have been developing a hog load for the 200gr. XTP with Acc. #9 and Blue Dot.  #9 develops good velocity but loses to the Blue Dot in accuracy by quite a bit. Recoil impulse is also more pronounced with #9.  YMMV

[tommac919]

A good 200gr XTP and BD is 10.4gr
Just work up to it in your gun... my G20 handles it well and it's accurate as I can be.

[Muskrat]

A good 200gr XTP and BD is 10.4gr
Just work up to it in your gun... my G20 handles it well and it's accurate as I can be.

I use that same load. It's a tack-driver out of my G20, and it gives sub 1" groups at 50 yards from the Banshee. The Banshee bulges the brass beyond re-use, but it's not like I do a lot of target shooting with XTP's anyway.

[Kenk]

Yep, a very accurate load

[Popeye212]

A good 200gr XTP and BD is 10.4gr
Just work up to it in your gun... my G20 handles it well and it's accurate as I can be.

I use that same load. It's a tack-driver out of my G20, and it gives sub 1" groups at 50 yards from the Banshee. The Banshee bulges the brass beyond re-use, but it's not like I do a lot of target shooting with XTP's anyway.

I've gotten it up to 10.0 and groups started opening up I may go past it since pressure still seems OK.  9.8 is the sweet spot so far.

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