FOR THOSE THAT EDC SUPER-HOT AMMO.. Might want to listen to this video

[Olgo]

Great, now I'll have to get a 25, a 380, a 30 Carbine, a 38 special and a 38 Super pistols. 

[The_Shadow]

I have some hand loads from the early 80's and they shot with in 10 fps of the newer stuff I tested...

[sqlbullet]

I have a 38 super barrel for my Witness Match.  I bought it with the intention to have it reamed to 9X25 and like shooting 38 super so much that never happened.

A shooting buddy has a 30 carbine Ruger Blackhawk, and man is that thing a cannon. Muzzle blast is impressive. Or maybe oppressive.

[oldman10mm]

Old ammo should shoot fine, even the stuff from WWII era. Ammo is not manufactured with a 'best by/use by date'.

[Kenk]

Absolutely, I have some old steel core 7.62 x 39 that goes bang every time, not that it's nearly as old as others have talked about, but still. The only reason I change up my carry ammo so often is our seriously cold MN winter's, as my G30 will go from my super cold vehicle, into the house, and then back into the cold. Considering I picked up a bunch of Federal HST + P 230gr for a great price around 2014, I'm ok with it, plus being almost exclusively for carry, it is critical that it works as advertised
Thanks

Ken

[Trapper6L]

I've got one of the old AMT Automag III 30 carbine pistols. LOVE that pistol as the grips are huge to fit my apparent gorilla hands. I load 13.8gr H110 under a 90gr HP. You can't shoot it in tall dry grass or at night. The fireball is about 12ft round and 15ft out. It's an ear buster. It's also as accurate as any 30 carbine rifle too. Shooting our 6" steel plate at 100yds gets boring after a few shots.

[Kenk]

Did a little reading on the AMT Automag III in 30, what a hoot. I need to pick one of these at some point

[4949shooter]

I have military M118 .308 match ammo from the 1970's that works just fine. It looks to be in decent shape so it appears to have been stored properly.

It shoots 3/4 MOA our of my two Remington model 700's.

[4949shooter]

Just watched the video. As far as it goes, I think he brings up some valid points. The problem is, he takes everything to extremes in order to illustrate his points. Yes, some crazy light for caliber ammo can shoot to a different point of impact. But it goes to show that we have to test our ammo choice and evaluate. We can either adjust or move on to another choice.

I also find some of his police information to be inaccurate or exaggerated. Again, he takes things to extremes which maybe gets us off what we really would have needed to take from his video. My "experience" here is 30 years in law enforcement. Take it or leave it.

[Kenk]

Great point, I tried out some of Underwood's 100gr 10mm Xtreme Defense a few weeks ago, was so much fun to shoot, but the point of impact was very different than say Underwood's 165gr GD

[Overkill338]

I'm with you on your thoughts regarding Underwood 10mm ammo. For me shooting up 4 or 5 boxes of expensive ammo for reliability testing is not an issue, as it's critical you know it will function properly, as well as being accurate. Sure, no one wants to spend a ton on reliability testing, but at the same time, no one wants their weapon to have issues if a horrible situation were to ever go down.

I agree completely!  I like to know how much recoil my gun will have, where it will hit, and if it will even feed the ammo. I like Underwoods Range Supply for full power practice.

[Kenk]

Absolutely, it's not cheap after shipping, but is one of my favorite factory range loads

Ken

[Overkill338]

One thing that the Pull-Down Documentations here have shown, is that we could work toward duplicating what we wish to try in our own guns to maybe train and test feed function and accuracy at maybe a lower cost as handloaders.  I have always stated that some of these BOUTIQUE ammos have a lot of hype to include their prices...when some cast bullets could do the job just as well...

To each their own as you test what actually works well for yourselves!

Remember to note, that my friend whom is a technician for Underwood, said they do not use off the shelf powders, and that similar looks is just a coincidence.

[Overkill338]

Massad Ayoob told me, the .40 S&W has produced more "pass-throughs" than any other caliber he has used, or seen used in the line of duty. On another note, carrying "Super Hot" ammo from Underwood in my 10mm, will penetrate LESS than the same bullet in a .40. So I don't understand you saying we need to take his advice. Underwood's 124 +P+ Gold Dot penetrated close to the same as the Speer offering, but had larger permanent cavities.

Plus I can't stand Mr pork shooter.

[tommac919]

As for possible setback issues for carry ammo, I put a small dot with a black sharpie on the brass every time my carry ammo is re-chambered for cleaning, and or other reasons. Once there are 3 dots, it goes into my range bag. I'm sure this is overkill, and a total waste of expensive ammo,

I cycle my ammo by above method... Not that I've ever seen set-back on my ammo but also that it remains fairly new ( prob once a year )

The other good thing is that it gives me practice ammo the same as I carry.