350 Legend

[gadabout]

OK just bought some 350 Legend rounds. They are Winchester 145g fmj and were only 8.50 for 20 rounds. Leads me to believe the guns may be available  soon. Winchester website has more guns available in this round than they did a month ago. Boy if I could take a picture I would but never have very much success in that regard. Well I have 20 to shoot and 20 empties to reload after I shoot. All I need now is a gun and I am all set.   Craig

[The_Shadow]

Craig, you should take pictures, you should pull one down carefully to see and document what's inside so you can possibly duplicate the load.
Good luck to you finding a firearm for the ammo!

[AlinMi]

MGM has encore barrels on hand, couple places have AR uppers if your into them.

[gadabout]

Wade(Shadow) I just plan to measure vel on the factory rounds and measure the same on the reloads and go from there. I have been loading 300 blackout for a few years and have a feel for those so using Lil'gun I have a jumping off place so to speak. You know I like them light anyway so will be loading no greater than factory or lighter.  Craig

[gadabout]

OK got one apart and found the camera and will take pictures after the battery is charged up. It is 21 grains even and the powder is very fine but uniform in size granular. Must be a slow powder as you would expect from a rifle round. I used my Hornady press mounted bullet puller so this is a very accurate measurement. Course a 145 grain bullet is a little weird for 357 FMJ but what the hay. I also will explore if a standard 357 die set will work with this 350 Legend. I think it will as to make the size right you mainly have to screw out dies. The sizing die is the question I feel. I will know today and report back. Craig

[Trapper6L]

Probably need to keep that ammo in a special place for later. Might be a dandy collector item. This is another round that answers the question very few ever thought about asking. I doubt you see the rifle at all. Where are they going to sell it? It's less than a 30-30 if you hand load, 2300'ps vs 2500'ps for a 150gr bullet. That  it's the fastest straight wall case is like saying I have the fastest lawn mower in the county- who cares? If a straight wall case is required, there's the 375 Winchester, 38-55, and obviously many more that are larger. For Winchester, it ranks right up there with their supposed short magnums. They didn't do anything that an already existing round didn't. And many of those short magnums had extremely short barrel life- less than 500 rounds. But, back to the"legend", just what are you supposed to do with a 260gr bullet out of one? Velocity at just over 1000'ps. Makes no sense. That makes it about 50% less than a 44 mag rifle using the 270gr bullets at 1625'ps.

[gadabout]

Lets try this again. Craig

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[gadabout]

I just noticed that if you click on the picture it gets much bigger and you can see the powder much better. Wade you may be able to tell what this powder is when you see it. I am now better at the picture thing but it's a struggle. Craig

[The_Shadow]

Need a close up of just the powder in the pan to get the best look and see, also a weight of the charge helps too

[gadabout]

I did say 21 grains was the charge but I will try to retake powder picture.  Craig

[gadabout]

Oops I screwed up again!! I have already reloaded the 350 Legend I took apart for powder etc.  I can take it apart again and shoot a picture tomorrow.  Craig

[The_Shadow]

What powder did you thing it was Craig?  This being a new cartridge and not any loading data yet for it...
However looking at the 357Maximum with a 150 grain Bullet they show 23 grains  of H-110 making 1724 fps from 10 BBL

350 Legend case length is 1.710?
357Maximum case length is 1.605"

The 350 minimum cartridge overall length is 2.125? and the maximum is 2.260?

It's the "fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge."  Here's the velocities they provided:

145 grn FMJ – 2,350 fps
150 grn Deer Season XP – 2,325 fps
265 grn Super Suppressed – 1,060 fps
160 grn Power Max Bonded – 2,225 fps
180 grn Power-Point – 2,100 fps

[gadabout]

OK this is a close up  shot of the powder. Not sure if it's clear but it's the best so far and BTW it is 21 grains or 20.9 but closer to 21. This is a different round than yesterday that I just pulled down today.  Craig

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[gadabout]

One more thing don't forget to click on the picture as it will enlarge it to see better. Craig

[The_Shadow]

Craig, I cant be totally sure but we may be looking at the Hodgdon CFE Black powder.  However Winchester is one that will blend powders for what they want...like they did for AA#9 back in the early days where they Blended WC820 & WC350.

Hodgdon CFE Black