Are the 610's Back

[Mike D]

I have held the Smith and the Ruger back-to-back and the Ruger feels better to me .
How is it you think the Smith is better?

The action is much smoother. I have a converted GP100 with a full action job and the 2 smith revolvers are much slicker and better trigger with just a spring kit.


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[4949shooter]

Everyone has their preference as to Smith / Ruger.

I would like to buy the 6.5 inch version. I just wish Smith would get away from that damn lock...

[terdog]

Everyone has their preference as to Smith / Ruger.

100% agree. 

And just to be clear, I was honestly asking Mike D for his opinion.

[Bruno747]

...at least they saw the writing on the wall and decided that maybe Ruger shouldn't be making all the money they could have been making on calibers that they have abandon....  Maybe they will smarten up and start producing a .41 Magnum L-frame like the 69 and some .327 J and K-frames....

...well one can hope can't one...

Bob

I hope they extrapolate that writing on the wall into an MP 10mm. But I know they wont. They haven't had the cahonies to make an auto 10mm for many years.

[Graybeard]

Anyone have any thoughts on if the new 610 cylinders are long enough to convert to 10mm magnum? Since the 6.5" version is drilled and tapped it would be one awesome hunting pistol.

[Zephyr]

Interesting to see S&W re-introduce the 'classic' 610.  Someone in their 'marketing-department' actually listened.  Most of those, who field 10mm, 1911's often have a GP-100, or 610 in the battery to compliment the other handgun. These 'new' revolvers will most likely have the same dimensions as previous incarnations.  It would be a neat 'hat trick' if Dan Wesson introduced a 10mm revolver in their 'pistol-pak' format.  But I'll accept the 'good news' from S&W.  It shows; that the 10mm caliber popularity, is still creating more market-share.  That's a good thing for our favorite chambering.  There are still a few manufacturing holdouts, who still; do not produce a 10mm autopistol.  Some of those being:  S&W, FN, Walther, HK, and Steyr.  At least, the last-time I checked.  Finally, If you don't like auto-pistol cartridges in a revolver, just don't buy one.  Leave the rest of us, shoot in peace.       

[mr.revolverguy]

I need a 3inch to go with the 6.5in and 4in no locks I already have Smith.

[Zephyr]

I need a 3inch to go with the 6.5in and 4in no locks I already have Smith.

The 3" Lew Horton is a hoot to shoot!  Recoil was manageable with all my preferred loads.

[Bruno747]

  It would be a neat 'hat trick' if Dan Wesson introduced a 10mm revolver in their 'pistol-pak' format.     

I actually reached out to Dan Wesson shortly after they reintroduced their 715 about this.

The answer was more or less that their manufacturing machines are backlogged as it is. Adding another caliber revilver just wasn't feasible. However if they were to expand it would be more likely that they would reintroduce the 44 mag variant before creating a 10mm.

I asked them if they would consider a coversion kit. You know buy the barrel tube, shroud, and cylinder. BAM 10mm. The answer was a simple no.

It's a shame cause I'd buy a Dan Wesson 715 in 10mm in a heartbeat. Well up to $1500 with only one barrel.

[Ramjet]

Yippie I have one inbound should be here next week one more 10 for already growing stable.....

[Ramjet]

Going to pick mine up today then do some testing vs the Ruger Wiley Clapp 10.

[Ramjet]

I ran the following through both guns one then same loads through the other.

Here is my opinion;

Smith is N frame larger than the Ruger

Both hold 6-rounds

Both use moon clips.

I ran everything from 160 grain FMJ to 200 grain WFN cast GC. These are all top level loadings not the weak down loaded commercial stuff.

Felt recoil the Smith wins hands down the grip and weight of the gun made shooting even the big 200 grain cast easy to control and run. The little Ruger ran better and was more accurate with lighter weight projectiles. The Smith liked them all.

Single action the Smith again edge out the Ruger trigger broke clean and with less effort and was more predictable.

Accuracy in single action the Smith took the prize. I think that has more to do with the excellent single action trigger than anything else.

In double action the Ruger tended to print high on all but the lightest bullets.

The Smith 610 is a little tougher in double action due to the frame size and trigger reach.

The Ruger 3" seems easier to work in double action. Trigger reach is closer just for the record I have pretty big hands but just picking the gun up and putting it on target the Ruger was preferable.

I prefer the green fiber optic sight of Ruger.

I preferred the adjustable rear sights of the Smith.

The 610 is a really nice 10 and I think it edges out the little Ruger overall except with lighter projectiles the Ruger shines.

Both weapons have utility and of course being obsessed with the 10 it great to own both.

The Smith soaks up recoil really well and the trigger on the Smith is waaaaay better than the Ruger. The Ruger is longer and takes more effort to break. The Smith breaks consistently and the double action seemed lighter as well. The stroke for the Smith seemed shorter to me than the Ruger.

[2AinVA]

I ran the following through both guns one then same loads through the other.

Here is my opinion;

Smith is N frame larger than the Ruger

Both hold 6-rounds

Both use moon clips.

I ran everything from 160 grain FMJ to 200 grain WFN cast GC. These are all top level loadings not the weak down loaded commercial stuff.

Felt recoil the Smith wins hands down the grip and weight of the gun made shooting even the big 200 grain cast easy to control and run. The little Ruger ran better and was more accurate with lighter weight projectiles. The Smith liked them all.

Single action the Smith again edge out the Ruger trigger broke clean and with less effort and was more predictable.

Accuracy in single action the Smith took the prize. I think that has more to do with the excellent single action trigger than anything else.

In double action the Ruger tended to print high on all but the lightest bullets.

The Smith 610 is a little tougher in double action due to the frame size and trigger reach.

The Ruger 3" seems easier to work in double action. Trigger reach is closer just for the record I have pretty big hands but just picking the gun up and putting it on target the Ruger was preferable.

I prefer the green fiber optic sight of Ruger.

I preferred the adjustable rear sights of the Smith.

The 610 is a really nice 10 and I think it edges out the little Ruger overall except with lighter projectiles the Ruger shines.

Both weapons have utility and of course being obsessed with the 10 it great to own both.

The Smith soaks up recoil really well and the trigger on the Smith is waaaaay better than the Ruger. The Ruger is longer and takes more effort to break. The Smith breaks consistently and the double action seemed lighter as well. The stroke for the Smith seemed shorter to me than the Ruger.

I was thinking of adding a Smith when I can find one in stock.  It's that or a second Wily Clapp.  Is the price delta worth it in your opinion?


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[Ramjet]

Well if you only looking at price and depending on what you are using the gun for.

In our state the barrel length is too short for hunting so it would be for SD or personal protection. I would be honest and say no it's not worth the price delta.

In fact today I ran some close qtr drills from the holster strictly double taps center mass. I compared it with my Thunder Ranch model 325. The 325 was significantly better for a number of reasons. 45 amp softer shooting than factory 180 grain HP from the 10 and the TR has even a better trigger than the 610. Of course the TR is Customemshop gun so it should be better. but if I am carrying a N frame it would be TR more likely than the 610.

Just being honest here.

For carry I think the 3" Clapp is better than the big Smith.

[2AinVA]

Well if you only looking at price and depending on what you are using the gun for.

In our state the barrel length is too short for hunting so it would be for SD or personal protection. I would be honest and say no it's not worth the price delta.

In fact today I ran some close qtr drills from the holster strictly double taps center mass. I compared it with my Thunder Ranch model 325. The 325 was significantly better for a number of reasons. 45 amp softer shooting than factory 180 grain HP from the 10 and the TR has even a better trigger than the 610. Of course the TR is Customemshop gun so it should be better. but if I am carrying a N frame it would be TR more likely than the 610.

Just being honest here.

For carry I think the 3" Clapp is better than the big Smith.

Thanks, you've given me enough information to make an informed decision.  Much appreciated!


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