200gr Federal HST 10mm - Gel test

[Rojo27]

Andrew's test of the 200gr HST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMeHw-rlIDo

[Kenk]

Thanks Rojo!

[cwlongshot]

Good to see!

CW

[Overkill338]

I'm very disappointed in this test. The .40 version performed just as good with a 4" barrel.

[Rojo27]

I tend to agree with Overkill on this one. 

Pretty pedestrian results and very comparable
to 40 SW performance.  Been suspecting this since
advertised numbers were announced.  By the way,
anyone notice Andrew got 1060 FPS or so average
from a full sized pistol....  70fps slower than advertising
and Andrew does his testing in the desert (looks warm there
to me).  It would been even slower in Wisconsin in February.
Actually just occurred to me, 200gr jhp jogging along at 1050fps.... 
that's exactly equivalent to 45GAP ballistics profile. 

I don't get too shook up at $1.20 per cartridge + shipping or tax for
top of the line 10mm performance but for weak sauce everyday
40 S&W and or 45GAP performance....  I don't think so.  I'll stick with 10mm Underwood
or for that matter the old XTP loaded by Hornaday still looks good to me.

[SPDSR]

It's still great performance and had significantly more penetration than any of the 180 .40 HST tests I've seen. The Gold Dot is a tougher bullet overall and the factory version is a great option. Not a huge fan of Underwood's rendition of the GD's, they are just driven too fast for the design of the bullets used. The Buffalo Barnes still seems like the best do it all loaded round though. The new Winchester round is advertised as moving along more in line with 10mm potential. Pretty sure the product line they are marketing it under "Defender Bonded" is the same as PDX line and Ranger Bonded line - 3 names same rounds - but Winchester LE Rep never responds to my inquiries. From what I know those are top tier bullets as well.

[4949shooter]

I think the penetration was good...better than .40 in my opinion.

[Overkill338]

It's still great performance and had significantly more penetration than any of the 180 .40 HST tests I've seen. The Gold Dot is a tougher bullet overall and the factory version is a great option. Not a huge fan of Underwood's rendition of the GD's, they are just driven too fast for the design of the bullets used. The Buffalo Barnes still seems like the best do it all loaded round though. The new Winchester round is advertised as moving along more in line with 10mm potential. Pretty sure the product line they are marketing it under "Defender Bonded" is the same as PDX line and Ranger Bonded line - 3 names same rounds - but Winchester LE Rep never responds to my inquiries. From what I know those are top tier bullets as well.

I highly disagree with you. The Underwood Gold Dots generate huge energy, and they dump it all, very quickly. They expand farther than normal, but wound channels are massive and the bullets still hold together.

You must be wanting to keep the slugs on your mantle after they are pulled out of the bad guy.

[Kenk]

Yep, even the Underwood 9mm 124gr +P+ Gold Dot is impressive, in fact just ordered another box yesterday for carry in my XDm 4.5...Love that Underwood ammo : )

[SPDSR]

It's still great performance and had significantly more penetration than any of the 180 .40 HST tests I've seen. The Gold Dot is a tougher bullet overall and the factory version is a great option. Not a huge fan of Underwood's rendition of the GD's, they are just driven too fast for the design of the bullets used. The Buffalo Barnes still seems like the best do it all loaded round though. The new Winchester round is advertised as moving along more in line with 10mm potential. Pretty sure the product line they are marketing it under "Defender Bonded" is the same as PDX line and Ranger Bonded line - 3 names same rounds - but Winchester LE Rep never responds to my inquiries. From what I know those are top tier bullets as well.

I highly disagree with you. The Underwood Gold Dots generate huge energy, and they dump it all, very quickly. They expand farther than normal, but wound channels are massive and the bullets still hold together.

You must be wanting to keep the slugs on your mantle after they are pulled out of the bad guy.

"Dumping massive energy" is not a wounding mechanism in handguns. And if you're referring to some gel testing, you'd have no way of knowing what the wound channels in living tissue look like. Gel does not convey that information. The overdriven bullets typically penetrate less and over-expand yielding a diameter smaller than if they were fired within their design. The net result is a decrease in both of the primary objectives of penetration depth and expanded diameter. Furthermore, at these velocities the GD is barely holding together, so if fired through barriers it would be more likely to fail.

[mr.revolverguy]

Well let me help settle this really good conversation. I would not mind getting some underwood for barrier testing, what type of barrier are we talking? Here I fired 45colt through board into gel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-Ntgvx2mw&t=4s

[Kenk]

Thanks Mr. revolverguy!

[TGR]

Well fellas I can attest that Win 175 gr Silver tips SUCK!!!!! I tried to dispatch a hog here on the farm and had to shoot it 5 times point blank in the head before it was down where we could cut it!!!!!!!

[Kenk]

Evening TGR,
If I understand this correctly, the 175 gr Silver tips are a bit weaker than they were in the past. Other than that, with correct shot placement, I'm confident they would prove adequate for 2 legged critters.
Thanks

Ken

[SPDSR]

Well let me help settle this really good conversation. I would not mind getting some underwood for barrier testing, what type of barrier are we talking? Here I fired 45colt through board into gel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-Ntgvx2mw&t=4s

The barriers used for industry standard testing. Sheet metal, auto glass, etc.