Federal 10mm 200gr 1135

[Bruno747]

Federal is reportedly dropping a 200gr hydroshock advertised at 1135fps.

Good to see real 10mm is starting to return to factory loads.

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/gearscout/2019/01/07/federal-ammunition-will-launch-these-25-new-products-shot-2019/

[sqlbullet]

To be clear, this is a 200 grain HST, not a hydra-shok

[Rojo27]

About time Federal finally putting out a 200gr HST in 10mm but
200gr @ 1135fps "advertised" still not real deal 10mm in my opinion.

And no, I wouldn't care to be shot with it.  For that matter I don't want
to get shot by a 22lr either and i'm not overly impressed with it either. 
For what'll end up being more than a $1.00 per cartridge, i'll pass.  I'd pay that or more
for the real deal but what the heck, i'm Just a paying consumer, why
should ammo manufacturers care what I actually want?

[Bruno747]

Might not be norma level but meets Cooper's original 1000 fps requirement. Its also very close to D&D developed original 1150. I know norma came in hotter.

Missed the hst vs hydrashock bit my apologies must have had hydrashock on the brain.

[Overkill338]

Might not be norma level but meets Cooper's original 1000 fps requirement. Its also very close to D&D developed original 1150. I know norma came in hotter.

Missed the hst vs hydrashock bit my apologies must have had hydrashock on the brain.

Cooper wanted 1100 fps, not 1000. They raised their requirements because they thought Norma would come up shy. That's how the Norna loads ended up being 1200+

[Bruno747]

Might not be norma level but meets Cooper's original 1000 fps requirement. Its also very close to D&D developed original 1150. I know norma came in hotter.

Missed the hst vs hydrashock bit my apologies must have had hydrashock on the brain.

Cooper wanted 1100 fps, not 1000. They raised their requirements because they thought Norma would come up shy. That's how the Norna loads ended up being 1200+

Got any documentation to backup the 1100 claim? everything i have read always said 1000 was his number he advocated for, but 1100 or 1150 was what the first test rounds came back at exceeding his hopes.

I suppose its possible that multiple sites have it wrong, an original article or document written by cooper should put this to rest but I never found such a thing just multiple histories of 10mm all saying he wanted .40 cal 200gr @ 1000fps.

[The_Shadow]

Chapter 3 of the Bren Ten The Heir Apparent by Ron Carrillo

In the book, Cooper outlined what he believed was the optimum ballistics for a defensive round: .40 caliber, 200 grains, and 1,000 feet per second. Collins never forgot Jeff's benchmark specifications.

Also there was mention where Mike Dixon was able to finalize external specifications; he also upped the velocity specification to 1150 feet per second, which exceeded Col. Cooper's numbers of 1000 feet per second and Dornaus wanted the numbers low for fear of reliability. 

Norma actually produced numbers even higher that hat was asked for and early ammo runs were said to be around 1260 FPS and 37,000 CUP...

[Rojo27]

Federal Premium & Speer both owned by ATK...

Speer's 200gr 10mm Gold Dot's advertised velocity is 1100fps but actually tests out about 1025fps as reported by 5Pins,  Lucky Gunner and other testers utilizing duty sized pistols. 

Perhaps a little cynical but probably little reason to presume Federal's offering will actually perform any closer to advertised....

Again, just one guy's perspective but I have 40 S&W pistols.  If I want upper range 40 S&W performance, I'll load up some 180gr +P or Double Tap and carry it. 

Reports here recently of Hornady and others juicing up their 10mm loads to realistic true 10mm levels and utilizing quality projectiles are very promising. 

I'd really, really like to see more quality 10mm ammunition in 200gr utilizing quality projectiles running along legitimately close to 1200fps from the Speers and Federals.  I'm not looking for nuclear; just legit 10mm.  Until then the Hornady, Sig Sauer, Underwood, DT, BB and others have products that meet the niche. 

[Mike D]

If it performs as advertised, this will be a very good offering.


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[4949shooter]

Cooper wanted 200 grains at 1000 fps. Norma bumped it up to 1200.

I know this through what I have read, also having been verified through law enforcement contacts who were close to the process at the time.

[The_Shadow]

One reason that Norma may have also been higher than the 1200 fps velocity is they developed a NEW powder at the time for the cartridge and from the pull-downs those big dense kernels (cut extruded rods)(like cut cordite) may have tipped the scales some. 

[sqlbullet]

In all the documentation I can find Cooper speaks of a 200 grain at 1,000 fps.  However, this "40 Super" as he often called it was based on the tests done in the early 70's with a custom Browning Hi Power in .40.  In Cooper's Commentaries Vol. 9, No. 14, pg 72-73 he makes this statement:

Experimentally in California we were able to get a 40 caliber pistol bullet of 200 grains up to about 1000f/s without blowing anything up, and this gave birth to the idea of the "Bren Ten." This was a very promising concept, offering slightly greater power in slightly less bulk.

This simultaneously substantiates and calls into question his feelings about specs for the 10mm Auto.  He certainly expected to get 200@1000, but he may have ideally wanted and hoped for more.  The experimental cartridge was the 40 G&A and was based on a 9mm length action.  The Bren Ten had more action length and therefore support for a case with more capacity. I could certainly see that he may have hoped for more velocity and more safety margin, and perhaps even stated so. However, the above quote is the one that is most often repeated, cited and remembered.

But, he was also vocal that he felt the 10mm Auto delivered by Norma was over-powered for the Bren Ten, and correspondingly for other Browning locked handguns of the day.  From the same source:

The [10mm Auto] cartridge, loaded up to its full capacity, tended to be very hard on machinery, and it wore out available locking systems pretty quickly.

Personally, I think Mr. Cooper would be thrilled with a Federal HST 200 grain at 1135 FPS in a modern firearm.  Many of the reservations he had about it wearing out locking systems are mitigated both by the evidence of time and the increased quality of modern guns.

[tcecil88]

I love the HST's and this one will be a welcome addition. I use 147 gr. +p in my EDC 9mm's and 230 gr. HST in my G21. A 200 gr. HST out of my Glock 40 oughta scream. Can't wait!

[SPDSR]

Just a few years ago there were no factory 10mm defense rounds with modern bullets. Just old less effective XTP's and hydrashoks. Now we have Gold Dot, critical duty and HST's coming as well. Awesome! I wish Barnes would offer their factory 10mm in a not ridiculously slow version. I'm becoming frustrated with the inconsistencies of Underwood, DT, BB.

[The_Shadow]

Federal 200 Grain HST ammo