Good all in one Black Bear to Deer in a factory 10mm?

[Roguer]

I'm looking at trying to stream line and go with one factory bullet (or bullet weight) to be able to handle the two main jobs of....

1. Most importantly able to handle black bears for protection and put them down fast.

2. Deer hunting. I don't know if a good bear protection bullet and good deer bullet can be compatible in the same job.

Now advice on what factory loads could handle such criteria would be mostly and greatly helpful for me. Oh I'll be using a Glock 40. I got barrels for lead bullets also.

I don't have brown bears around here, and I only shoot bears only if I have to. Like if they don't want the food pack or other food and ignore it and are intent on me. I have lost LOTS of food packs to bears over the years and I'm still here, so I guess letting them have it worked out for me.

[The_Shadow]

Underwood 200 grain offerings would be my suggestions.  200 gr cast WFN  or the 200 XTP...  The solid cast bullets should yield deeper penetration to possible exits depending on the bullet encountering heavy bone or softer tissues...

[Rojo27]

For those two jobs my recommendation would be:
Buffalo Bore 155gr TAC-XP
Underwood 200gr XTP
I'd be very comfortable with either of those choices and had
excellent results with. 

Other options I wouldn't be least bit afraid to go with:
Underwood 180gr XTP
Sig Sauer 180gr JHP
Hornady 180gr XTP JHP
Federal 180gr Bonded
Underwood 115gr Xtreme Defense
Underwood 200gr WFN Hard Cast - Gonna leave entrance and exit wound. 

[Ramjet]

remember to get an instant "stop" on any living organism you need to shut down the central nervous system.

So if the threat is real and you are in mortal danger hit or central nervous system hits are nessecery to stop that threat instantly.

So practice practice practice under high stress conditions the response should be born from muscle memory and expereince gleaned from training.

[sqlbullet]

For my money, you will have a hard time beating a 200 grain flat nose cast from 12-15 BHN lead.  Penetrates deep, cuts nice holes for good bleed.  Downside is they are hard to find in factory loads.

[Overkill338]

Underwood 200gr XTPs. Nuffs said.

[Roguer]

Thanks people!

I been wondering what ones would work and such, then I remembered to ask people who know!

One of my main reasons for getting my 10mm besides wanting one for ever and ever and ever and ever, was for deer hunting and feral dogs. The later are the main problem that has only been some what controlled with the local wolf population rise.  Another thing that I saw last deer season was cougar that the DNR says don't exist that was in the old farm yard area, it looked BIG but healthy so it probably should be no worry.

[Mike D]

Underwood 200 or 220 grain hard cast is what I would use.


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[Kenk]

Absolutely 😊

[CrawldaBeast]

I would recommend the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrators. The 140gr XPs come out of my Glock 20 in the low 1500s. They penetrate on par with 200gr hard casts with better weight retention on hard targets. I have taken a mule deer with my Glock and the wound cavity through the heart looked consistent the to that of ones shot in gel.

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[AlinMi]

Underwood 200 or 220 grain hard cast is what I would use.


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+1

[Overkill338]

I would recommend the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrators. The 140gr XPs come out of my Glock 20 in the low 1500s. They penetrate on par with 200gr hard casts with better weight retention on hard targets. I have taken a mule deer with my Glock and the wound cavity through the heart looked consistent the to that of ones shot in gel.

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Those Xtreme Snakeoil pills just dont cut the mustard. OP, the hardest will out penetrate the "Xtreme (Under)Penetrators" 3:1. Not to mention, the weight comparison is like car crashes. If you were getting T-Boned at a 4 way intersection, would your rather be hit by a Sportbike going 100 mph or a Semi with trailer running 50 mph ?

[CrawldaBeast]

I would recommend the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrators. The 140gr XPs come out of my Glock 20 in the low 1500s. They penetrate on par with 200gr hard casts with better weight retention on hard targets. I have taken a mule deer with my Glock and the wound cavity through the heart looked consistent the to that of ones shot in gel.

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Those Xtreme Snakeoil pills just dont cut the mustard. OP, the hardest will out penetrate the "Xtreme (Under)Penetrators" 3:1. Not to mention, the weight comparison is like car crashes. If you were getting T-Boned at a 4 way intersection, would your rather be hit by a Sportbike going 100 mph or a Semi with trailer running 50 mph ?

Funny, that you say that. I did tests between the XPs and the hard casts going through hard targets. The XPs lose less than 5 grains of weight. The 200gr hard casts lose about 90 grains. So which one is the motorcycle supposed to be?

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[Rojo27]

Those Xtreme Snakeoil pills just dont cut the mustard. OP, the hardest will out penetrate the "Xtreme (Under)Penetrators" 3:1. Not to mention, the weight comparison is like car crashes. If you were getting T-Boned at a 4 way intersection, would your rather be hit by a Sportbike going 100 mph or a Semi with trailer running 50 mph ?

The hyperbole and false equivalency aside.  A good 200gr to 220gr Hard Cast will certainly out penetrate the Underwood Xtreme lines but the 3:1 ratio business is provably inaccurate.  This question has been conclusively resolved by member(s) here and the information is easy to find on this forum.  Not that it matters in the slightest with respect to the original question posed by the OP.   

The OP was asking for a single factory recommendation for two specific jobs (medium sized game hunting & Black Bear defense).  There are any number of factory offerings in 10mm which will do an excellent job in those two jobs (Hard cast & Xtreme lines certainly among them).  Lots of excellent ammunition options in 10mm that'll make a deer or black bear very dead if the shooter does his or her part and puts them where they need to go.  The great thing is the ammo choice list gets bigger all the time.

Not sure if the Glock 40 factory barrel had the same problems as Glock 20 factory barrel with 220gr Underwood Hard Cast and it's tendency to not destabilize the projectile which often allowed bullet to keyhole. Not that great an outcome for either job OP seeking a solution for.  At any rate Glock itself advises against shooting hard cast in their polygonal rifled barrels.   

[Kenk]

Right on the money, Thanks Rojo!