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[DM1906]

Budgeting issues within departments is usually the only reason more don't do it.

Entire neighborhoods?

Multiple structures or a neighborhood.  What's the difference? It's SOP, searching for a fleeing felon, or a missing child.

No it's not. You don't just start kicking in doors through out a neighborhood because you are in search of a felon or a missing child. Nor is it simply SOP to make entry because they are in a dwelling.

Training to breach a structure doesn't mean that's what you do, every time.  We train to do it, because everyone knew how to knock before they got out of their rack that morning.  What would happen if you had to, and no one on your team knew how? It isn't like in the movies, BTW.  It's a tool in the box, like hand-to-hand or bayonet training.  You hope you never need it, but know you are able if the need arises.  If you were truly a member of the corps, you'd understand at least that.  People are making a lot more out of it than it really is.  This is NOT news, unless an agenda needs it to be.

[uz2bUSMC]

Budgeting issues within departments is usually the only reason more don't do it.

Entire neighborhoods?

Multiple structures or a neighborhood.  What's the difference? It's SOP, searching for a fleeing felon, or a missing child.

No it's not. You don't just start kicking in doors through out a neighborhood because you are in search of a felon or a missing child. Nor is it simply SOP to make entry because they are in a dwelling.

Training to breach a structure doesn't mean that's what you do, every time.  We train to do it, because everyone knew how to knock before they got out of their rack that morning.  What would happen if you had to, and no one on your team knew how? It isn't like in the movies, BTW.  It's a tool in the box, like hand-to-hand or bayonet training.  You hope you never need it, but know you are able if the need arises.  If you were truly a member of the corps, you'd understand at least that.  People are making a lot more out of it than it really is.  This is NOT news, unless an agenda needs it to be.

My initial post was in response MCquade, as he made his statement it sounds as if they are clearing an entire neighborhood. Now that could be taken two ways: redundant training (which is common) or the act of clearing an entire neighborhood. If you are a true member of the Corps you would, at least , understand that the military mission and LEA mission are different. LEO don't do door to door clearing. If that is in fact what MCQuade was getting at then there would be cause for question. If it's just a door to door knock and talk and/or breaching (training) there is nothing new going on. Depends on how the training is being conducted and for what purpose...this we may not know without having seen it ourselves. However, your view does not erase the posiblity of an agenda any more than MCQuades instills one.

[DM1906]

Budgeting issues within departments is usually the only reason more don't do it.

Entire neighborhoods?

Multiple structures or a neighborhood.  What's the difference? It's SOP, searching for a fleeing felon, or a missing child.

No it's not. You don't just start kicking in doors through out a neighborhood because you are in search of a felon or a missing child. Nor is it simply SOP to make entry because they are in a dwelling.

Training to breach a structure doesn't mean that's what you do, every time.  We train to do it, because everyone knew how to knock before they got out of their rack that morning.  What would happen if you had to, and no one on your team knew how? It isn't like in the movies, BTW.  It's a tool in the box, like hand-to-hand or bayonet training.  You hope you never need it, but know you are able if the need arises.  If you were truly a member of the corps, you'd understand at least that.  People are making a lot more out of it than it really is.  This is NOT news, unless an agenda needs it to be.

My initial post was in response MCquade, as he made his statement it sounds as if they are clearing an entire neighborhood. Now that could be taken two ways: redundant training (which is common) or the act of clearing an entire neighborhood. If you are a true member of the Corps you would, at least , understand that the military mission and LEA mission are different. LEO don't do door to door clearing. If that is in fact what MCQuade was getting at then there would be cause for question. If it's just a door to door knock and talk and/or breaching (training) there is nothing new going on. Depends on how the training is being conducted and for what purpose...this we may not know without having seen it ourselves. However, your view does not erase the posiblity of an agenda any more than MCQuades instills one.

Try to understand, I don't disagree with this.  However, conspiracies lie where you look for them.  The event of this type of training is not unusual.  It's quite common.  "Clearing" an entire neighborhood is part of the training.  NOT searching for and confiscation of items of a Constitutionally protected right, but for reasons I stated and similar, and nothing more.  They can train all they want, but when it comes down to it, you won't find any number of "cops" who will do what the conspiracy theorists fear.  I'm retired, but know who I've worked with, who I've trained, and who is walking the beat now.  I've trained in both, the military and local law enforcement.  They are more alike than you apparently understand.  The tactics are the same.  Why would one use a less effective method than the other?  Searching a structure, or a neighborhood of structures is the same, be it in downtown Fresno, or hutch in the delta.  In regards to effective urban tactics, every military branch (including The Marine Corps), nearly all local law enforcement, and federal law enforcement agencies use the same guidelines, as described in the "Combined Arms Operations in Urban Terrain" manual (USA, FM 3-06.11, the version I have on hand), and later versions as necessary.  Smalltown, USA doesn't write their own manuals, they adopt established procedures and protocols, most of which originate from the military, FBI, U.S. Marshall, and others (including that of other countries, as well).  The mission of the Corps, or any U.S. military branch, and local law enforcement is the same.  The oath is the same (with only an addition for local/state Constitution).  The only difference between them is where the oath is applied.  If you doubt any of this, just have a talk with any flatfoot or mounty you may run across.  They'll tell you the same.  If they don't, run like hell, and find a real patriot who will have your back when it counts.

[uz2bUSMC]

DM,

You've got a lot going on there ^ so I'm not going to quote that and creat more clutter. Although LEO and military are very similar they are not the same. Their missions are not the same, although their end goal is similar in many cases. Their tactics are not the same, period. I also have trained both. They will share a baseline but that's almost it. It would make things a lot easier if you could make entry as an LEO and lead with a frag but you wouldn't want to for obvious reasons. You don't use suppressive fire as the miliary does. There are many differences because they have to be different. A grunt doesn't go law enforcement and keep going things the same way. If the tactics were the same, they could have called for Fire and been done with Dorn a lot sooner...

Don't misunderstand, I am in agreement that most cops are not going to do what theorists fear. Doesn't mean the agenda at the upper level isn't beginning to show itself. The media would obviously love for everyone to believe it. However, based on MCQuades statement, the interesting piece of the puzzle we do not have is what mission they were training for not so much how they were training.

[EdMc]

Somewhat on this subject are the recent videos supposedly showing military helicopters flying low over US cities while discharging full auto fired blanks. Miami and Houston as I remember. These type exercises make one wonder.

'Army Times' reported last year of units training for 'urban unrest'. Whether any of this means anything of great importance I'd be the last to know.

[uz2bUSMC]

Somewhat on this subject are the recent videos supposedly showing military helicopters flying low over US cities while discharging full auto fired blanks. Miami and Houston as I remember. These type exercises make one wonder.

'Army Times' reported last year of units training for 'urban unrest'. Whether any of this means anything of great importance I'd be the last to know.

The military will train like that on occasion. The people who are from that area noted that this has been done in the past. (In regards to the helos)

[EdMc]

Thanks for the clarification. Most of what I've seen was 'alternate media' or emails of the sky if falling type. My time in the military was over forty years ago as a draftee....we pretty much knew where we were going.  I did have a few friends in the Corp that did a little crowd control during anti war protests after they returned.

[4949shooter]

I would say the missions between LE and military are close, but are not the same (at least as far as this discussion goes).

Sometimes the military takes on more of a law enforcement role, for example the LA riots. Sometimes law enforcement takes on more of a military role, like the North Hollywood shootout, or SWAT operations.

Even law enforcement missions can vary, like the mission differences between the local police in my home town and the state agency I work for. Same rules, different missions.

[harrygunner]

Wow, sad use of our tax dollars.
   
Imagine the White House putting up a site where people could express the blessings coming from the document that defined this nation at its forming. But, then the White House would have to be 'for' the U.S. government.

[MCQUADE]

Since this thread has started I have tried to find out more, with little luck. From what several people have told (i.e. rumors) this may be training for a natural disaster or "civil unrest" . I understand, in these times, the "need" for both, it has been going on for years, I have done it, but with our country's situation as it is, everything seems to become more suspect, especially when agencies that typically don't do it are. But, manpower constraints could be forcing that to become the new norm. I try to be an optimist, I try not to be paranoid, but I don't want to be a fool either. I also live in a rural area where "robin sage" is conducted, some of you know what that is. Ain't nothing like sitting on the deck, drinking coffee, at 6am on a Sunday morning, and hearing a few explosive charges (simulators)going off on the RR tracks and 10 guys opening up full auto with small arms. That is normal around here.

[sqlbullet]

most concerning to me is the amount of ammo DHS has purchased.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/10/DHS-Ammo-Purchases-Gun-Control-By-Another-Name