44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns

The_Shadow · October 26 2013 08:12:31 PM MDT

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Crossfire Black Max 225 grain SCHP (Black Oxide)
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1123 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester Western WW Super – Brass (Black Oxide)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8925"/Dia. 0.4295": 225 grain Barnes TAC-XP w(Black Oxide)
Actual weigh 224.0 grains Crimp/Cannelure Diameter 0.4140"
HP depth HP 0.4195" / HP dia. 0.2045" / mouth 0.2660"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6060"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4525" Crimp Diameter 0.4365" (very tight) Length 1.2840"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Lil'Gun ? 20.0 grains
Tested Velocity: 1502, 1494, 1539. Average = 1511.66 FPS/ 1142 LBS

Intercooler · October 27 2013 05:47:33 AM MDT

Pretty interesting. I can't wait to see how it does in gel for application type. Could possibly be a good Hog or Deer round?

The_Shadow · October 27 2013 08:10:56 AM MDT

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo 245gr FMJ
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1390 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1050 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6740"/Dia. 0.4290": 245gr. FMJ (appear to be plated)
Actual weigh 244.6 grains Cannelure Diameter 0.4275"
Meplat 0.3000"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5700" /1.6340" (seated long or backed out)
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4535" / 0.4540" (no crimp) Length 1.2710"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296 19.8/20.2 grains
*(cases measure short (trim length 1.2750") hence no rolled crimp to hold bullet tight)*

Intercooler · October 27 2013 12:01:51 PM MDT

Maybe round it to 20.0? What does it mean the cases measure short?

The_Shadow · October 27 2013 01:10:21 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on October 27 2013 12:01:51 PM MDT
Maybe round it to 20.0? What does it mean the cases measure short?

The charge weight may have been set for 20.0 grains, but I listed the actual weights found.

Actual case length measure 245 FMJ, Length 1.2710" if the crimping was not adjusted for shorter cases, this would explain less crimp.
The recommended trim length 1.2750"
Difference is 0.0040"

Here are other case for comparison
Other Underwood Star Line; 1.2730" & 1.2755" (these are longer than the one's that the 245 FMJ where the bullet moved out under recoil)
Ted Nuget case was 1.2775"
Black Max WW-Super case was long 1.2840" "still within maximum length"

Let me know if you still need info.

Intercooler · October 27 2013 02:34:09 PM MDT

The one that was sticking out. Loose on the crimp? I know I couldn't move it!

The_Shadow · October 27 2013 02:54:38 PM MDT

Quote from: Intercooler on October 27 2013 02:34:09 PM MDT
The one that was sticking out. Loose on the crimp? I know I couldn't move it!

One soft wrap with the puller and it fell out! Even the other dropped out very easy as well.

The_Shadow · December 05 2013 06:00:25 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo 305gr LBT-LFN
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1188 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8940"/Dia. 0.4305": 305gr. LBT-LFN
Actual weigh 303.0 grains Cannelure Diameter 0.3945"
Meplat 0.3355"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6300"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4460" (heavy crimp) Length 1.2735"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/W 296 20.8 grains

Intercooler · December 08 2013 07:32:43 AM MST

I missed this one. Kevin is doing pretty good now on the heavy stuff! I'm trying to twist his arm into a 340gr or bigger ${$default_shocked_smiley}$

The_Shadow · December 28 2013 04:14:44 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Underwood Ammo 240gr Hornady XTP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1550 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1280 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: StarLine - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7035"/Dia. 0.4300": 240gr.Hornady XTP
Actual weigh 240.6 grains Cannelure Diameter 0.4145"
HP Depth 0.1000" / HP Inside Dia concave / HP Mouth 0.2340"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5930"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4530" Crimp Diameter 0.4500" (heavy) Length 1.2740"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? ? 21.4 grains

Intercooler · December 28 2013 05:16:53 PM MST

New? 300-MP?

The_Shadow · December 28 2013 05:45:31 PM MST

I have thought of the 300MP and Data I have shows the 300-MP using 23.0 grains @ 1570 fps, I an still looking for pictures of this powder. R-Dub never responded to an PM I sent him about pictures.

Another powder I thought of is AA4100
No data was shown for Silhouette, however it is different looking.

Intercooler · December 28 2013 06:18:19 PM MST

Ramshot Enforcer or 4227?

The_Shadow · December 28 2013 07:11:38 PM MST

I don't think it is Enforcer based on the data and the picture I have of it it is black spherical round balls like AA#9.
Definitely not 4227

The_Shadow · January 24 2014 03:23:59 PM MST

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 240gr Deer Grenade HP GC HCast
Ballistics Information: 44 Mag +P (4F)
Muzzle Velocity: 1578 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1326 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7720"/Dia. 0.4315": Hard Cast 240gr.
HP depth 0.3345" / inside tapered Dia. 0.2040" / mouth Dia. 0.3145"
Actual weight 242.0 grains Cannelure 0.3380"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6555"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4525" Crimp Diameter 0.4360" (heavy roll) Length 1.2800"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: H-110/296 25.6 grains