44 Magnum Factory/Commercial Ammo pulldowns

Intercooler · May 11 2013 09:19:07 AM MDT

PBR 240gr FMJ (Redhawk 7.5") 1422, 1430, 1437, 1503, 1510, 1407, 1473, 1474. Average = 1457 FPS/ 1131 LBS
PBR 240gr JHP (Redhawk 7.5") 1418, 1411, 1476, 1411, 1430. Average = 1429.2 FPS/ 1089 LBS

Intercooler · May 26 2013 08:35:53 PM MDT

I have Ted Nugent 270gr's on the way to test and pull down.

The_Shadow · June 08 2013 03:59:15 PM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on March 11 2013 09:38:34 AM MDT
Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Double Tap 300gr Nosler JHP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1325 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1161 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Star Line - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8590"/Dia. 0.4290": 300gr. Nosler JHP
depth 0.1570" / inside Dia. 0.1260" / mouth Dia. 0.2815"
Actual weight 299.8 grains Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4285"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5760" & 1.5695"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4515" (Tight taper) Length 1.2680"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 20.0 grains
Tested from S&W Model 29 8 3/8" 825? fps / 1257 fps June 8th 2013

The_Shadow · June 08 2013 04:04:25 PM MDT

44 Magnum test S&W Model 29 8 3/8" June 8, 2013 Up dated the Pull-Downs in this section.
Hunting Shack Manufacturing (HSM) 240gr JHP 1171 / 1194
Parabellum Research (PBR) 200gr JHP     1632
Prvi Partizan (PPU) 300gr JSP        1094 / 1121
Remington 180gr JSP           1659 / 1657
Double Tap 240gr Bonded Hunter JSP     1345 / 994 ?
Double Tap 300gr Nosler JHP        825 ?/ 1257

Intercooler · June 08 2013 06:35:00 PM MDT

Your two Double Tap loads look correct on the larger number with my results. What was the barrel length? Those PBR's smoke!

The_Shadow · June 08 2013 08:22:47 PM MDT

The S&W 29 has a 8 3/8" barrel...

The_Shadow · July 24 2013 09:04:12 PM MDT

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: American Eagle 240gr JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1270 fps
Muzzle Energy: 859 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6840"/Dia. 0.4295": 240gr. JSP
Actual weight 240.0 grains Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4210"
MEPLAT 0.3000"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5900" / 1.5950"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4495" (med taper) Length 1.2770"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge H-110 or 296 Weight: 23.8 grains

The_Shadow · July 24 2013 11:03:17 PM MDT

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent 270gr Uni-Cor JSP
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1542 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1356 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: NUGENT - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.7700"/Dia. 0.4300": 270gr. Uni-Cor JSP
Actual weight 269.6 grains Crimp squeezed bullet to 0.4180"
MEPLAT 0.2880"
C.O.A.L.: 1.5940" / 1.5940"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.4535" Crimp Diameter 0.4455" (heavy roll) Length 1.2775"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge ?? H-110 or 296 ?? Weight: 22.0 grains
(Lighter in color and has some yellow dust in the mix)

REDLINE · July 25 2013 12:47:34 AM MDT

I'm at a total loss for what the powder is and I wonder if it's a powder not available to the handloader.

Intercooler · July 25 2013 04:00:39 AM MDT

Isn't that the same powder we saw in their 10mm load? I knew the American Eagle had a strong charge! It's all I shoot and all that is needed!

The_Shadow · July 25 2013 09:50:56 AM MDT

Here is what was in the Ted Nugent 10mm, If I recall it was even a finer/smaller powder... $:-\$
However it maybe the same. ${$default_huh_smiley}$

REDLINE · July 26 2013 04:10:32 PM MDT

Wish we knew what powder it is.

The_Shadow · July 26 2013 05:24:53 PM MDT

REDLINE, I'm with you on that one! It is possible they are having their powder blended for them. The powder is light grey color which seems to suggest a lack of graphite and or other deterrents or coatings. The yellow dust seems to be an identifier of some sorts for Pierce Ammo. Mystery what they are using but the load data is interesting. I was thinking RamShot products however they seem to be darker almost black or dark grey...

The powder in the 44's are similar to H-110 / W296 without the darker coatings and the powder in the 10mm was similar to AA#7 without coatings.

REDLINE · July 27 2013 12:51:58 AM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on July 26 2013 05:24:53 PM MDTIt is possible they are having their powder blended for them.

I want to say you're right.

When looking at the charge weight there are only so many powders to choose from and it's a pretty short list, especially when most I'm aware of can be weeded out immediately by look alone.

It's not:
No.9, Enforcer, 2400, H110, W296, 300MP, IMR 4227, Lil'Gun or N110.

I don't know what Norma 123 or 200 look like or what the charge weights would have to be, but highly doubt it would be either one anyway. I also don't believe it could be Accurate 4100 or Alliant 410.

The only possibilities I hold in question are IMR SR-4759 and H4227 (discontinued?), and that's because I know nothing about them, like what they look like or what the charge weights would be. All in all though I'm leaning toward exclusive blend.

The_Shadow · October 26 2013 08:12:31 PM MDT

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Crossfire Black Max 225 grain SCHP (Black Oxide)
Ballistics Information: 44 Magnum
Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps
Muzzle Energy: 1123 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Winchester Western WW Super – Brass (Black Oxide)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.8925"/Dia. 0.4295": 225 grain Barnes TAC-XP w(Black Oxide)
Actual weigh 224.0 grains Crimp/Cannelure Diameter 0.4140"
HP depth HP 0.4195" / HP dia. 0.2045" / mouth 0.2660"
C.O.A.L.: 1.6060"
Primer: Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.4525" Crimp Diameter 0.4365" (very tight) Length 1.2840"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? Lil'Gun ? 20.0 grains
Tested Velocity: 1502, 1494, 1539. Average = 1511.66 FPS/ 1142 LBS