Underwood/ Lehigh Defense 10mm copper solids

[Kenk]

Thanks, I was just going on what the Lehigh rep told me

[Overkill338]

Thanks, I was just going on what the Lehigh rep told me

I wasnt really disputing what you were saying. I just dont understand because the bullet design is completely different.  I also know what Justin (Underwood Technician) told me about penetration.

Xtreme Penetrator - 36"-38" average
Xtreme Hunter- 28" average
Xtreme Defender - 16" - 19"

[Kenk]

Nice, Thanks for the penetration info


Ken

[Overkill338]

Nice, Thanks for the penetration info


Ken

No problem. I hope you didnt take offense to my replies.

-Ken

[Kenk]

Absolutely not, but thank you for asking


Ken

[Overkill338]

Absolutely not, but thank you for asking


Ken

My name is Ken too, I wasnt mocking you..lol

[SPDSR]

Most of the YouTube videos show the 10mm xtreme penetrator only penetrating 25-27 inches in gel, and that's usually Clear Ballistics gel which tends to show several inches more penetration than the same round in actual calibrated ballistics gel. The Kentucky Ballistics guy has a video where he shot the 10mm Penetrator, Hunter and Defender together and they all penetrated basically the exact same depth. I suppose if you buy into the "wound track" hype there may be differences in gel disturbance, but the experts would tell you that has no correlation to actual disturbances in tissue.


Not sure they penetrate as much as some would expect. It would be interesting to hear from people who actually have hunted with them and how they compare to traditional solids.

[Kenk]

I'm planning to try the Hunter next weekend for our opener, unless I change my mind and use the the 200gr XTP

[Rojo27]

Guess people can look at the same thing and see different
things. 
XH - with the exception of little divot in the face, the flutes look
similar to the XD to my eyes.

The XP has the flatter more surface area face and much nowrrower scalloped flutes
to me. 

You can watch a ballistic test by Kentucky Ballistics in which he fires all three different
10mm Underwood Extreme proctored in the same block of clear gel to compare. 

[Kenk]

When it comes to hunting, as well as many things in life, I tend to stick with the tried and true...Not that is always the best route. I really want to test out Underwood's Extreme Hunter next Saturday for our deer opener, but am having second thoughts, as I have had great success with Underwood's 180, and 200gr XTP, Thoughts...

[Rojo27]

How many deer can you harvest this season?

Maybe you harvest one with the tried & true.  After you got meat in the freezer, you can experiment. 

Or change up the order....  Use the Extreme Hunter and if results aren't what you want, switch back to combo you know works for balance of the season.

[Overkill338]

My friend at Underwood has tried to convince me to change to the X-D as my carry load. I just cant buy into it. I've been carrying the 200 grain loads (XTP & Nosler) because I feel confident in those choices. I've considered the 155/165 Gold Dot, and even the 135 Noslers. The 135 only penetrates 10", but man oh man is it violent!

[Kenk]

Morning Rojo,
In the zone that I'm hunting this season, it's hunters choice, but I only get one, thus making my ammo choice even harder

Ken

[Trapper6L]

I loaded up some of the 115gr Xtreme Defense in my 10mm longslide. Went coyote hunting. Ol Wiley stepped out of the brush at about 15 yds, the 10mm barked and you couldn't make a coyote hit the ground any harder. It was a full length body shot hitting him in the chest and came out the left rear hip. The bullet kept going. Per my data I'm getting right at 1500'ps using CFE powder. Accuracy has been 1 1/4" at 25yds from bags. I didn't open up the yote to see the damage inside but there was no question his blood was not where it should have been. It was like picking a balloon full of water. My intentions were to use this bullet in the 10mm and 40SW as carry ammo. It's not going to happen now. I'll load what I have for varmint hunting but the fact that the bullet did not stop means far too much penetration for me for carry ammo. IF I ever have to shoot someone, I don't want to hurt someone over in the next county too. For the 10mm, I'll stick with the 180gr HST bullets I bought from American Reloading as pulled bullets. They shoot great and open up like you'd expect a good HP to expand. The 40SW I'll stay with the 135gr HPs.

FWIW, I also have some of their Controlled Chaos bullets for a 7.62x 39. They'll make you think that junky Russian round is a match grade round. They hit like a ton of bricks. It really makes the 7.62 come alive. When I built the AR15 7.62, I bought a box of 100 from Midway for $32.00. That's just a couple of bucks above most any game bullet. Now, on SALE at Midway, they're another $10.00....on sale. While they are literally ptomaine on feral hogs, killing a feral hog can be done with a lot cheaper bullet. I should have bought more but the Sierra HP will work too.

I fully understand that a coyote is not a human, but then neither is any gel. I guess I 'm a lot of old school here but I feel responsible for any bullet that comes out of my guns. I'm not game for a bullet that has significant penetration for carry ammo when I might be put in the position to have to use it in a public area. For me, if any bullet only penetrates 10", that's a major plus to me. That'll just about be a pass thru shot on most men. I don't want a bullet that's going to keep going. That's one reason the 10mm will now be the truck gun and the 40 the carry gun.

[Kenk]

Words of wisdom to be sure, and yes, collateral damage is the last thing you want. As for checking out the coyotes internal damage, I haven't done it either. I've shot a bunch of of them over the years, and they are one mange buggy critter : )