Brand new Sprg. Operator 10mm--FAIL --Accuracy still poor

[Univibe]

Brand new five inch model.   I stripped her down, oiled her up with CLP, and took her to the range.

Ammo was:

50 rounds SIG 180 grain FMJ at 1,250 fps
25 rounds AA #5 with 180 grains Hornady FMJ (published 1100 +)
25 rounds AA #9 with same bullet (published 1250)

About every fifth or sixth round wouldn't quite chamber all the way, leaving the slide back about 1/4 inch.  This was true with handloads as well as factory stuff.   I tried three different magazines (two Sprg., one Mec-gar) and mags had no effect.

I'm thinking the extractor needs tuning?    Maybe try another 100 rounds, or send it straight back to Springfield?

Very disappointing.   Operators ain't cheap.

[sqlbullet]

Description sounds like a classic three point failure.

This can be a result of a really messy extractor, insufficient lock time at the rear of slide travel, or a poorly fit barrel link. 

I always try to fix it because I don't wanna hassle with RMA, and always end up wishing I had just sent it back.

Also, sorry to hear your new gun is sick.

[blaster]

bummer!! nothing worse than a factory defect.

[sparkyv]

Sorry to hear that Univibe. Hope you get it resolved soon.  Keep us posted,

[Graybeard]

It's always a bummer when something that costly doesn't work perfectly right out of the box. If it's an extractor problem, it's easily diagnosed. First, where does it throw the empties? Buzzing them backwards past your head, or almost forward with brass marks where they hit the slide behind the ejection port, is a sign it's too tight. Not allowing the slide to close is a sign of a really sloppy extractor that's too loose, but you should have other problems, like poor ejection and feeding. Check that the extractor isn't clocking, as well. Tuning an extractor is really easy. There are many good videos on the subject.

I really think you just need more break in time with this one. If you're using new mags, load them and let them sit overnight, at least. I would shoot at least 200-300rnds before sending it back. Almost all decent 1911s are much tighter than JMBs original design. I would bet your problems go away after another 100-200 rounds. If not, you can always send it back and dismiss any break in argument Springfield can make.

FWIW, my best guess is that if there is a real problem, the chamber may be a little tight.

Best of luck with this! I really hope this gun works out to your expectations.

[Univibe]

Update:
   Gun Shop where I acquired it has agreed to look at it and fix it.     (Rare in the firearms industry!)   We'll see.

[Sobrbiker]

As long as they'll deal with it if Springfield doesn't want to in the event they fiddle with it and it still malfunctions.

If I spent that kinda money on a new one I'd suck up tge patience and return it to the mothership.

[Univibe]

Range report:   second trip to range.

After a thorough cleaning and lots and lots of CLP, I took it back to the range.

Ammo was:

SIG 180 grains FMJ at published 1250 fps
Handload 180 grain Hornady FMJ over 13.0 grains AA #9

I shot another 100 rounds.   Whereas during the first trip I had a fail to fully chamber about every six rounds, this time there were only a few bobbles the first fifty, and if I recall correctly, only one problema during the final fifty.

I'm thinking it's a break-in issue.  That Operator is tight as a bank vault.

What do y'all  10mm experts think?    Scrub, oil and try another hundred before I send it back to Sprg?

[PCFlorida]

If it seems to be improving (which it does) then I would certainly spend the time for another trip. The break-in in a Kahr is like that. They tell you right in the manual to do (??) 250 or so rounds.

[Graybeard]

Range report:   second trip to range.

After a thorough cleaning and lots and lots of CLP, I took it back to the range.

Ammo was:

SIG 180 grains FMJ at published 1250 fps
Handload 180 grain Hornady FMJ over 13.0 grains AA #9

I shot another 100 rounds.   Whereas during the first trip I had a fail to fully chamber about every six rounds, this time there were only a few bobbles the first fifty, and if I recall correctly, only one problema during the final fifty.

I'm thinking it's a break-in issue.  That Operator is tight as a bank vault.

What do y'all  10mm experts think?    Scrub, oil and try another hundred before I send it back to Sprg?

Yes, yes, and did I mention, Yes! You're just starting to wear the finish off of the high spots on the rails. Light oil and another couple hundred rounds will most likely have it running like the fine machine that it is.

Please post and let us know how this works out.

[Ridgerunner665]

I'd shoot it some more before I sent it anywhere...

I bought a Les Baer 1911 a few years ago...$2,200... It gave trouble right out of the box, I called and actually spoke to Les himself... He said keep shooting it, it'll sort itself out within 200 rounds.

I did... And it did sort itself out... That gun later went a counted 12,000 rounds without a single failure.

I still have it, but stopped counting... Don't shoot it much anymore though.

[Sobrbiker]

Shoot 500 and report back (or to Springfield).
Kimber used to not even give an RMA for cycling issues if people hadn't shot 500 rds yet.

[gandog56]

Brand new five inch model.   I stripped her down, oiled her up with CLP, and took her to the range.

Ammo was:

50 rounds SIG 180 grain FMJ at 1,250 fps
25 rounds AA #5 with 180 grains Hornady FMJ (published 1100 +)
25 rounds AA #9 with same bullet (published 1250)

About every fifth or sixth round wouldn't quite chamber all the way, leaving the slide back about 1/4 inch.  This was true with handloads as well as factory stuff.   I tried three different magazines (two Sprg., one Mec-gar) and mags had no effect.

I'm thinking the extractor needs tuning?    Maybe try another 100 rounds, or send it straight back to Springfield?

Very disappointing.   Operators ain't cheap.

I wonder if you had a possible case head separation and a section of the brass case was lodged in your chamber?

[Univibe]

[/quote]
I wonder if you had a possible case head separation and a section of the brass case was lodged in your chamber?
[/quote]

No, there was no obstruction.   And the second trip to the range, after a thorough cleaning and over-oiling, yielded better results (see above).     I think it's getting broken in.

I was planning to go shoot another hundred this weekend, but the forecast is for "tropical rain."   Probably go about the middle of next week.   Same routine: clean it well, lube it up, try it out.

[The_Shadow]

I was planning to go shoot another hundred this weekend, but the forecast is for "tropical rain."   Probably go about the middle of next week.   Same routine: clean it well, lube it up, try it out.

You must be either in Texas or Southwest Louisiana...