Why did the 10mm Auto make a comeback?

Started by 4949shooter, February 24 2018 03:42:33 PM MST

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Kenk

Plus they a are just  gas to shoot; nice write up by the way

gandog56

Went to the range this morning to get some shooting time before the usual afternoon thunderboomer rolls through. (They have almost every afternoon this week!). I took along every 10mm I own. I ended up shooting my:
Dan Wesson Razorback 1911
RIA Tac II 1911
Fusion Firearms Hunter long slide 1911
Tanfoglio Witness full size steel
Mechtech CCU carbine
TNW Aero Survival rifle 10mm carbine
Ruger Super Redhawk 10mm
The worst recoil was probably from the Ruger, but I loaded up some pretty stiff reloads for it.
Some people think I'm paranoid because I have so many guns. With all my guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

4949shooter

Quote from: gandog56 on June 13 2018 12:50:44 PM MDT
Went to the range this morning to get some shooting time before the usual afternoon thunderboomer rolls through. (They have almost every afternoon this week!). I took along every 10mm I own. I ended up shooting my:
Dan Wesson Razorback 1911
RIA Tac II 1911
Fusion Firearms Hunter long slide 1911
Tanfoglio Witness full size steel
Mechtech CCU carbine
TNW Aero Survival rifle 10mm carbine
Ruger Super Redhawk 10mm
The worst recoil was probably from the Ruger, but I loaded up some pretty stiff reloads for it.

Sounds like a good day. That Fusion long slide must be a beaut!

14 GT-500

So how do you like that Dan Wesson Razorback? been kind of looking at another 1911 10mm and thought that the DW  Razorback might be my cup of tea ;D

Rojo27

Couldn't guess the number of Gandog56 posts extolling the virtues of his DW RZ-10 and backing it up with pretty impressive accuracy illustrations as proof.  So unless the universe has flipped, it's a pretty damn safe bet he's still quite fond of it! 
Which of course he has every right to be, the RZ-10 it's a pretty sweet heater. 


10mm4ever

Back to the original question, why did 10mm make a comeback? Because it is the cartridge that all semi-auto cartridges want to be, but can't be. It has it all, velocity, energy, easy to reload, versatility of bullets.
It just took awhile to get over the bad wrap that the FBI gave it over recoil. I have never found it objectionable. Like I said in the beginning they all aspire to achieve 10mm ballistics but without recoil, laws of physics won't allow.

Pablo

Quote from: 10mm4ever on June 16 2018 07:28:47 AM MDT
.......recoil. I have never found it objectionable.......

Ditto here. Even when I get a little nuts and put over book loads in my G 20L, it's a little snappy. But really much ado about nothing. I'm not a large man, and I have medium small hands.

NuthinButMagnums

#82
10mm is a thinking mans caliber, for example...

A few weeks ago after I showed my friend the G20, the next week he told his son to get a 10mm, primarily because of the barrel and caliber interchangeability.  (And the price for Glock being relatively low)

His son bought a 40S&W "because he'll get free ammo from dad."

I told my buddy his boy wasn't a really bright bulb and he agreed and I think if he himself hadn't just bought his 40 S&W it would have been a G20 instead.
My friend is a quick study and saw the G20/ 10mm's potential.

Makes me think a lot of people buy 40's because they don't do the research into other calibers, they're prolific weapons, and counter sales probably push popular rather than effective.


4949shooter

Quote from: NuthinButMagnums on June 16 2018 02:11:53 PM MDT
10mm is a thinking mans caliber, for example...

A few weeks ago after I showed my friend the G20, the next week he told his son to get a 10mm, primarily because of the barrel and caliber interchangeability.  (And the price for Glock being relatively low)

His son bought a 40S&W "because he'll get free ammo from dad."

I told my buddy his boy wasn't a really bright bulb and he agreed and I think if he himself hadn't just bought his 40 S&W it would have been a G20 instead.
My friend is a quick study and saw the G20/ 10mm's potential.

Makes me think a lot of people buy 40's because they don't do the research into other calibers, they're prolific weapons, and counter sales probably push popular rather than effective.

Not to mention, the G20 is a pusssycat with .40 cal and .357 conversion barrels. Really tames the recoil and you could shoot these cartridges for ever.

Benchrst

Quote from: 10mm4ever on June 16 2018 07:28:47 AM MDT
Back to the original question, why did 10mm make a comeback? Because it is the cartridge that all semi-auto cartridges want to be, but can't be. It has it all, velocity, energy, easy to reload, versatility of bullets.
It just took awhile to get over the bad wrap that the FBI gave it over recoil. I have never found it objectionable. Like I said in the beginning they all aspire to achieve 10mm ballistics but without recoil, laws of physics won't allow.

Performance of boutique ammo probably helped the mystique, but I have to believe the fact it's a handloader's dream really helped; the 10mm (not exclusively) can be loaded with almost every pistol and shotgun powder out there, from mild to wild, 100 different bullets, it all just works :)
G20.4 / LW / Overwatch / Sevigny

gandog56

Quote from: 4949shooter on June 13 2018 01:24:40 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on June 13 2018 12:50:44 PM MDT
Went to the range this morning to get some shooting time before the usual afternoon thunderboomer rolls through. (They have almost every afternoon this week!). I took along every 10mm I own. I ended up shooting my:
Dan Wesson Razorback 1911
RIA Tac II 1911
Fusion Firearms Hunter long slide 1911
Tanfoglio Witness full size steel
Mechtech CCU carbine
TNW Aero Survival rifle 10mm carbine
Ruger Super Redhawk 10mm
The worst recoil was probably from the Ruger, but I loaded up some pretty stiff reloads for it.

Sounds like a good day. That Fusion long slide must be a beaut!

https://i.imgur.com/VXU7hpd.jpg
Some people think I'm paranoid because I have so many guns. With all my guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?

4949shooter

Quote from: gandog56 on June 19 2018 02:17:17 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on June 13 2018 01:24:40 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on June 13 2018 12:50:44 PM MDT
Went to the range this morning to get some shooting time before the usual afternoon thunderboomer rolls through. (They have almost every afternoon this week!). I took along every 10mm I own. I ended up shooting my:
Dan Wesson Razorback 1911
RIA Tac II 1911
Fusion Firearms Hunter long slide 1911
Tanfoglio Witness full size steel
Mechtech CCU carbine
TNW Aero Survival rifle 10mm carbine
Ruger Super Redhawk 10mm
The worst recoil was probably from the Ruger, but I loaded up some pretty stiff reloads for it.

Sounds like a good day. That Fusion long slide must be a beaut!

https://i.imgur.com/VXU7hpd.jpg

Beautiful!  8)

SHOOT1SAM

Quote from: 14 GT-500 on May 13 2018 08:50:04 AM MDT
...Kimber and all the other fine 1911s being made for the 10mm, thats what got me into it  :)

My answer to the OP's question would be this: Kimber.

Colt convinced the FBI, and Glock kept it alive, but it sure seems to me that when Kimber released their Stainless Target Model in 10mm, THIS is what started the long, slow revival of the 10mm.  IIRC, Kimber followed it up with the Eclipse model, and it was shortly after this that Dan Wesson & others began chambering pistols in our beloved caliber, which eventually led to today, with more 10mm handguns available than ever before.

Sam

Randy99CL

#88
Six months ago I didn't know anything about 40cal or 10mm or Glocks.  I wasn't in the market and at my age I try to not clutter my brain with info I probably won't use. 

I got here in a round-about way.  Read of the police-trade-ins and liked that I could get an M22 for around $300.  Did some research and learned of the cartridges and started saving up some of my SS money to get that Glock.

A month ago I got the email that the local Sportsman's Warehouse had the RIA 1911 for $500.  Did a little more research on 10mm and RIA and jumped on one.

Absolutely love the pistol and love the cartridge!  The biggest I'd owned in the past was a .357 Ruger Security Six in the '70s and this new one impressed me from the first shot.  Crazy powerful, felt the concussion in my chest but controllable because of the weight of the 1911.  Amazingly accurate too.  And it can be reloaded fairly cheaply.

I've noticed that the 10mm has a rabid following; those that like it absolutely love it and now I'm one of them (just as we are with the 6.5 Grendel).
I can understand how and why the 10mm is gaining in popularity.

Edit:  I think a big part of the resurgence is the less-expensive guns (like the $500 RIA).  The 10mm handguns were out of the reach of many until just recently.
And edit again:  Sorry, I have excluded the Glocks.  They've been priced reasonably but I've always been more interested in the 1911.

gandog56

Quote from: SHOOT1SAM on June 25 2018 08:38:13 PM MDT
Quote from: 14 GT-500 on May 13 2018 08:50:04 AM MDT
...Kimber and all the other fine 1911s being made for the 10mm, thats what got me into it  :)

My answer to the OP's question would be this: Kimber.

Colt convinced the FBI, and Glock kept it alive, but it sure seems to me that when Kimber released their Stainless Target Model in 10mm, THIS is what started the long, slow revival of the 10mm.  IIRC, Kimber followed it up with the Eclipse model, and it was shortly after this that Dan Wesson & others began chambering pistols in our beloved caliber, which eventually led to today, with more 10mm handguns available than ever before.

Sam
As much as I hate to say it, not being a Glock lover, is Glock did way more than just "keep it alive'. As far as I know, for a while they were the ONLY ones who still even made one.If it wasn't for them, you probably could hardly even find any commercial manufacturers of 10mm ammo.
Still, I just hate how a Glock even feels in my hand. But that;'s just a personal opinion. They feel good in yours, they are a good option, and almost the cheapest way to get a new 10mm. Kimbers are just too much for many average Joes.
Some people think I'm paranoid because I have so many guns. With all my guns, what do I have to be paranoid about?


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