Why did the 10mm Auto make a comeback?

[Sonny10MM]

I'm not sure why either as there's really nothing no one didn't know before now. Ammo is still expensive compared to 9MM and not as easy to find as .45ACP, but there has been more offerings such as the Sig and Grand Power. I'm glad though and I'm on the list for a reproduction of the Bren Ten from Chuck Warner too.

[Ethang]

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I am inside the first 25 of the first 50 scheduled to be produced...

Ditto

[Canoe]

I'm not sure why either as there's really nothing no one didn't know before now. Ammo is still expensive compared to 9MM and not as easy to find as .45ACP, but there has been more offerings such as the Sig and Grand Power. I'm glad though and I'm on the list for a reproduction of the Bren Ten from Chuck Warner too.

OK where are the details on this reproduction?! 

The one thing that has changed since introduction is the intended use.  If I recall, originally it was touted only as a more powerful personal defence round.  The recognition that it was suitable for hunting small and medium game and for general backwood protection is relatively recent, and there is a good market for that.   

[Spudmeister]

Let me offer another reason why the 10mm did not die.  In 1873 Winchester came out with the 44-40.  In lever action rifle form it was known as "the gun that won the west".  Yet all it could manage was to launch a 200 gr lead bullet at about 1,200 fps out of a 20" rifle barrel (you should already know where I am going with this  ).  It was never too much.  Never bowled anything over and it's ballistics are humble.  But it has the remarkable trait of nearly always being enough to get the job done.  Small enough to carry a lot of ammo.  Light enough so recoil was easy.  Big/heavy enough to make the tough shots.  If there were gun writers in that day I am sure they put it down.  The 44-40 (in the lever form) had enough positives and few enough negatives that was simply without equal in it's day.  A friend of mine still uses one for deer & hog.  Hundreds of deer and hog later he will not trade that rifle for anything.

If you have a 5" barrel in your 10mm handgun you effectively have the cartridge that won the west only with rifle ballistics.  I constantly read about how the 10mm in a handgun is usually enough to get the job done in the wild.  Often not the best choice but, like the 44-40, gets the job done.  IMO that fact (along with some fantastic handguns) has turned a lot of heads and breathed life into the 10mm when it was dying.  IMO, the 10mm cartridge properly loaded in a good handgun simply has no equal in 2018.  Pretty cool!

[4949shooter]

Let me offer another reason why the 10mm did not die.  In 1873 Winchester came out with the 44-40.  In lever action rifle form it was known as "the gun that won the west".  Yet all it could manage was to launch a 200 gr lead bullet at about 1,200 fps out of a 20" rifle barrel (you should already know where I am going with this  ).  It was never too much.  Never bowled anything over and it's ballistics are humble.  But it has the remarkable trait of nearly always being enough to get the job done.  Small enough to carry a lot of ammo.  Light enough so recoil was easy.  Big/heavy enough to make the tough shots.  If there were gun writers in that day I am sure they put it down.  The 44-40 (in the lever form) had enough positives and few enough negatives that was simply without equal in it's day.  A friend of mine still uses one for deer & hog.  Hundreds of deer and hog later he will not trade that rifle for anything.

If you have a 5" barrel in your 10mm handgun you effectively have the cartridge that won the west only with rifle ballistics.  I constantly read about how the 10mm in a handgun is usually enough to get the job done in the wild.  Often not the best choice but, like the 44-40, gets the job done.  IMO that fact (along with some fantastic handguns) has turned a lot of heads and breathed life into the 10mm when it was dying.  IMO, the 10mm cartridge properly loaded in a good handgun simply has no equal in 2018.  Pretty cool!

Great post....the ten mm gets the job done. I like it..

[CurtisM]

I just saw your response over on GID Curtis. For me it will be the other way around...G20 first and then a Delta Elite.

I should have purchased the Delta years ago.

4949shooter, I haven't bought a Delta Elite yet either, I was misleading in the statement I made.  The original blued/black Delta Elite with the red Delta in the grip is what caught my eye, plus it was a 10mm!  I still want to get a Delta Elite.  The G20 Gen 4 was the first 10mm in my safe.

[4949shooter]

I just saw your response over on GID Curtis. For me it will be the other way around...G20 first and then a Delta Elite.

I should have purchased the Delta years ago.

4949shooter, I haven't bought a Delta Elite yet either, I was misleading in the statement I made.  The original blued/black Delta Elite with the red Delta in the grip is what caught my eye, plus it was a 10mm!  I still want to get a Delta Elite.  The G20 Gen 4 was the first 10mm in my safe.

Sounds good Curtis. Maybe we'll both get a Delta sometime soon.

[sqlbullet]

Notification of this new topic was the last email I got before I got on a plane in Delhi to fly back to the US.  I was really bummed that I was gonna miss this dialog in realtime, and reading through the posts, there has been a lot of good dialog.

I also had 24 hours on a plane to just think and I thunk a good bit about this.

There are a lot of different events on the course, but I think it started with the 94 AWB.  At that point, the 10mm was not looking super viable long-term.  The FBI was moving away from it and the 40 S&W was the super darling new LE round to end all LE rounds.

The first thing the 94 AWB did was created a resurgence in viability of lower capacity, high power handguns.  If I was limited to ten rounds, why not make it ten rounds of 45 ACP or 10mm over ten rounds of 9mm or 40 S&W.  This helped the 1911 platform, and it helped "magnum" and "big-bore" calibers.

The 94 AWB was not renewed after sunset in 2004 and immediately created a renewed interest in the AR-15.  The AR-15 is, of course, the lego set of gun building.  And in no time that started to extend the platform to calibers beyond 5.56/223.  And a whole new generation became enamored with wildcatting cartridges, myself included.

Of course, the journey to wildcat cartridges is to first find out what has been done.  This learning process leads people to "find" all the cool cartridges that aren't uber mainstream. And in learning and trying some of those cartridges they find some real gems.  Great cartridges that for whatever reason didn't quite catch the eye of huge government production.

The 10mm isn't the only cartridge that is enjoying this renaissance.  The 38 Super+ is another that comes immediately to mind.  And the 45 Super and a bunch of others are also riding this wave.

The 10mm has always been a "good" idea. The same basic idea of a 200 grain, 40 caliber bullet at 1100-1200 fps has been around for over 100 years.  The first was the 38-40 WCF.  The 41 Magnum is a similar, though more powerful implementation of this concept.

But the 10mm Auto is the BEST incarnation of this idea.  And more and more gun enthusiasts are finding it.

[MyAlias789]

I suspect a couple of things that all together played a part into its resurgence.

The explosive growth of the pig hunting market.

A whole generation of shooters that are more familiar with pistols as opposed to revolvers and their acceptance of electronic sights.

Hunting celebrities and professional youtubers using the 10mm on video that is freely and widely available. (Decline of cable television)

The price and reliability of current generation mini red dots.

The proliferation of cheap wearable cameras providing a lot of video evidence of the round's effectiveness on game and test media.

The popularity of social media and the ease of which it is to share said videos.

The introduction of the Glock G40 and some glock enthusiasts' fondness for caliber conversions.

The years of articles/discussion/data available about the .40 cal projectile performance.

Over saturation of "tactical" in the gun market.

That's just my guess.


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I'm not sure about why everyone else has transitioned to the 10mm but I did because Ted Nugent and Razor Dobbs have been promoting it on their hunting shows and after I checked its ballistics, I came to the realization it could play a limited role for me in hunting and woods defense here in Alaska.

[Sonny10MM]

I'm not sure why either as there's really nothing no one didn't know before now. Ammo is still expensive compared to 9MM and not as easy to find as .45ACP, but there has been more offerings such as the Sig and Grand Power. I'm glad though and I'm on the list for a reproduction of the Bren Ten from Chuck Warner too.

OK where are the details on this reproduction?! 

The one thing that has changed since introduction is the intended use.  If I recall, originally it was touted only as a more powerful personal defence round.  The recognition that it was suitable for hunting small and medium game and for general backwood protection is relatively recent, and there is a good market for that.

Try here, but best to call Chuck. https://www.facebook.com/groups/50872516366/

[Sonny10MM]

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I am inside the first 25 of the first 50 scheduled to be produced...

Me Too! 

Ditto

[4949shooter]

Notification of this new topic was the last email I got before I got on a plane in Delhi to fly back to the US.  I was really bummed that I was gonna miss this dialog in realtime, and reading through the posts, there has been a lot of good dialog.

I also had 24 hours on a plane to just think and I thunk a good bit about this.

There are a lot of different events on the course, but I think it started with the 94 AWB.  At that point, the 10mm was not looking super viable long-term.  The FBI was moving away from it and the 40 S&W was the super darling new LE round to end all LE rounds.

The first thing the 94 AWB did was created a resurgence in viability of lower capacity, high power handguns.  If I was limited to ten rounds, why not make it ten rounds of 45 ACP or 10mm over ten rounds of 9mm or 40 S&W.  This helped the 1911 platform, and it helped "magnum" and "big-bore" calibers.

The 94 AWB was not renewed after sunset in 2004 and immediately created a renewed interest in the AR-15.  The AR-15 is, of course, the lego set of gun building.  And in no time that started to extend the platform to calibers beyond 5.56/223.  And a whole new generation became enamored with wildcatting cartridges, myself included.

Of course, the journey to wildcat cartridges is to first find out what has been done.  This learning process leads people to "find" all the cool cartridges that aren't uber mainstream. And in learning and trying some of those cartridges they find some real gems.  Great cartridges that for whatever reason didn't quite catch the eye of huge government production.

The 10mm isn't the only cartridge that is enjoying this renaissance.  The 38 Super+ is another that comes immediately to mind.  And the 45 Super and a bunch of others are also riding this wave.

The 10mm has always been a "good" idea. The same basic idea of a 200 grain, 40 caliber bullet at 1100-1200 fps has been around for over 100 years.  The first was the 38-40 WCF.  The 41 Magnum is a similar, though more powerful implementation of this concept.

But the 10mm Auto is the BEST incarnation of this idea.  And more and more gun enthusiasts are finding it.

All great posts! This one in bold may sum it up nicely.

[Overkill777]

10mm is the best choice in caliber for a powerful semi auto handgun. It's for when you need or want more than a 9mm/40/45 and a large magnum semi auto or revolver is not practical. It offers decent ballistics and high capacity. It just makes a lot of sense.

[sparkyv]

I'm not sure about why everyone else has transitioned to the 10mm but I did because Ted Nugent and Razor Dobbs have been promoting it on their hunting shows and after I checked its ballistics, I came to the realization it could play a limited role for me in hunting and woods defense here in Alaska.

Come to think of it, I did watch Uncle Ted with his 10mm STI well before I got my SR1911.