Let's hear ideas about what's REALLY behind school shootings????

[gandog56]

Here's another real reason. The security is really lax. What happened here:

https://www.ksat.com/news/mother-walks-into-south-san-hs-unseen-to-prove-districts-need-for-extra-security

Yeah, but when I was a young gandog, we didn't NEED security. Nobody did these crazy shootings. I still think it is the stupid ways they tell you to bring up your children. We're raising a nation of sissies who get all butthurt over nothing and break into daddy's gun cabinet to solve things.

[Olgo]

I absolutely agree friend. When we were pups we had morals and we (as kids!) used to carry 22s and shotguns without anyone batting an eye.

Parents are not doing what parents are supposed to do. We took the spankings and the Bible out of schools.

[Rojo27]

Factor in the breakdown in basic societal pillars.  Then add large dose of monkey see monkey do...

 

[Kenk]

My thoughts, as a Christian, and follower of Christ are this . We live in a fallen world, sin and hate run rampant. This coupled with our broken mental health system, the lack of two parent households, as well as drug abuse play a huge part in this...just my two cents

[Graybeard]

Yeah, but when I was a young gandog, we didn't NEED security. Nobody did these crazy shootings. I still think it is the stupid ways they tell you to bring up your children. We're raising a nation of sissies who get all butthurt over nothing and break into daddy's gun cabinet to solve things.

This is definitely part of it! After working in public schools for over 30yrs, not as a teacher, I have some thoughts on this. Mainstreaming, no child left behind, and other let's include all the broken ones programs have almost eliminated the option of separating a kid like Nicolas Cruz from the regular students. Look at all the news stories. Every single person, from the resource officer to the hall monitors to the other students, teachers, etc, knew that kid was a whacko. Factor in an overzealous social worker mentality, the label "special needs" and absent parental responsibility or a parent in denial (think Sandy Hook) and there's your recipe for disaster. Lazy administrators trying to phony up successful stats don't help either.

Do the parents of some of these monsters deserve some of the blame? Absolutely! Admit there's something wrong with your kid and take steps accordingly. It's pretty obvious that the Sandy Hook kid should NEVER have had access to guns.

On the subject of parenting, actually knowing your kids would be helpful as well. I used to see armies of parents carting their over scheduled kids to various activities. The parents all stand around socializing with each other and patting themselves on the back for keeping their kids busy and "out of trouble," as if that's a substitute for actually doing something with them, themselves. Inputing your own values into your children is vastly more important than simply keeping them occupied and expecting coaches and strangers to do it for you.

Lastly, the phony self esteem that has been pervasive in public education for the last 25yrs has to go. I've watched teachers have elementary school kids chant, "I'm special! I feel good about myself!" three times each morning, for years. Sadly, when the world reveals its performance based self to them they are wholly unprepared. Yes, you may be special to Mom, Dad, and the Grandparents, but to the rest of us you are not. It's a feel good idea that only leads to feel bad for the kids.

I could continue, but this is starting to sound like a rant.

[JMag1]

I think about this all the time since my wife is a middle school teacher here in Central Ohio.  I have lived here my whole life.


I am starting to think the roots of this are in the moral decay of society and the family unit, COMBINED with just plain evil - right now, on this topic, the devil is winning.


What are your thoughts?


Pat

Same as yours.


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[sqlbullet]

Yeah, but when I was a young gandog, we didn't NEED security. Nobody did these crazy shootings. I still think it is the stupid ways they tell you to bring up your children. We're raising a nation of sissies who get all butthurt over nothing and break into daddy's gun cabinet to solve things.

I grew up in rural Indiana.  Everyone who drove had a gun in their car, students included.  That was school security!

It's pretty obvious that the Sandy Hook kid should NEVER have had access to guns.

I hate that Sandy Hook happened.  Terrible tragedy.  The Adam Lanza scenario illustrates why no amount of background checks or screenings is going to stop crazy people.  He killed his own mother to obtain a gun.  If it hadn't been her, it would have been someone else.  Or he may have turned to something truly horrific like a chemical attack.

The parents all stand around socializing with each other and patting themselves on the back for keeping their kids busy and "out of trouble," as if that's a substitute for actually doing something with them, themselves.

This.  The soccer fields are packed on Saturday with parents who are afraid to have a "real" conversation with their kids.  We don't do much sports.  But we do lots of family games, drives, and just general time together.  And we talk a lot about "real" things.

[Graybeard]

This.  The soccer fields are packed on Saturday with parents who are afraid to have a "real" conversation with their kids.  We don't do much sports.  But we do lots of family games, drives, and just general time together.  And we talk a lot about "real" things.
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Good for you and your family sqlbullet! Actually knowing your kids, what they are really thinking, and what's going on in their lives is the key. Conversation about real topics is extremely important. Reminds me of a friend and former coworker who's twin 12yr old sons were very concerned about school shootings. We took them to the range, taught them gun safety, and let them shoot some of my guns.

After, we talked about things like following the active shooter plans, until the plan isn't working. Like using an escape window if someone is coming through the door. Moving during a reload, and fighting back were also discussed. This is the type of conversation too many parents choose not to have.

[sqlbullet]

All six of my kids, ages 11-21, have their own AR-15, which they build from parts,  and their own M1 Garand with CMP certificate.  All of them now how to reload, though the younger ones still don't get to load their own ammo start to finish.

At age 18 they all get their CFP in our state, and their birthday gift from me is to pick a carry gun from the safe.  Lost a High Power and a Glock 19 that way so far.

And, they know they can talk to us about anything.  And they often do.

[Kenk]

As it should be, and as it is with our two daughters21, and 24. Start them young, instill morels and other important things, and they will be given grace and wisdom to figure out the rest

[Graybeard]

Another issue that always bothered me during my career in public schools was the head in the sand attitude when it comes to guns. Teen pregnancy, drugs, bullying, and other problems were all addressed with cries for more education/counselors/programs, etc. Gun safety education is largely ignored, especially in urban schools. Suburban schools aren't much better. It sickens me that dollars can be thrown at the PC cause du jour, but not a nickel for a firearm safety program can found.

[sqlbullet]

Another issue that always bothered me during my career in public schools was the head in the sand attitude when it comes to guns. Teen pregnancy, drugs, bullying, and other problems were all addressed with cries for more education/counselors/programs, etc. Gun safety education is largely ignored, especially in urban schools. Suburban schools aren't much better. It sickens me that dollars can be thrown at the PC cause du jour, but not a nickel for a firearm safety program can found.

Amen!

My second daughter, who is a senior this year, is working to get a high power rifle club started at her high school.  Nothing in the rules prohibits one.  And my kids are happy to let the club members borrow their Garands or AR's for practice and competition.

[ragsflh]

once thing i think is no name of shooter ever,it just makes other try to break his kills.if they would take them out as soon as it happens,give shooter to parents to do what the want to do with them.the news media blows some of it out .always go auto weapons etc.gun control.vegas shooter good example,some of pic were so fake,etc.was a video when it was happening a person was following a guy with a auto in crowd shooting,didn;t take long for this video to disapear.

[gandog56]

All I can say is "no child left behind", is dragging down bright students because class has to slow down for the idiots that should have nevger passed third or fouth grade.

True story, when I was in high school I got extra credit in English for teaching other high school students how to frikking read. Third grade primer schoolbooks, I'm talking Dick And Jane, they could NOT read them, yet they are in 9th and 10th grade.