Let's hear ideas about what's REALLY behind school shootings????

[Buckeye 50]

I think about this all the time since my wife is a middle school teacher here in Central Ohio.  I have lived here my whole life.


I am starting to think the roots of this are in the moral decay of society and the family unit, COMBINED with just plain evil - right now, on this topic, the devil is winning.


What are your thoughts?


Pat

[Scarlett Pistol]

There's a podcast by Jocko Willink where he interviews Jordan B Peterson. First of two interviews. Jordan B Peterson is a psychologist and mentions what causes people to decay to that level of school shootings. The whole interview is fantastic!

Update: went and found the episode on his site.
http://jockopodcast.com/2017/11/01/98-w-dr-jordan-peterson-facing-your-inner-darkness-breaking-your-wreched-loop-the-ulitmate-hero-is-dangerous-but-disciplined/

Glen Beck pooled a bunch of experts and wrote a great book about gun control and violence. It gets further into the data and psychology. There's definitely moral decay, especially in families. It's a great read and all the points really help in dealing with people arguing for all the gun control

https://www.amazon.com/Control-Exposing-Truth-About-Guns/dp/1476739870/ref=nodl_



John R Lott was one of the people that helped with that book. He has his own book called "More Guns Less Crime". That one really gets into the data. I can't remember if it goes into school shootings though.

https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660/ref=nodl_

[Buckeye 50]

Leo;


My wife hears this literally hears this every week from parents!  Broken record.

[sqlbullet]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-case-for-the-ldquo-self-driven-child-rdquo/

We keep making recess shorter, school days longer, school years longer.  We add more and more homework, and we take away outlets like PE, music and arts.

All of this deprives our children of a sense of control in their life, which numerous studies as cited in the article above, predict will lead to mental health issues.

Further, this makes some children attempt to regain control by asserting control over their peers, AKA bullying.

We create a pressure cooker and put out kids in it, and then are surprised when they pop under pressure.

School should be 8:30 AM to 3:00 PM.  In elementary school there should be two 30 minute recess breaks + a 40 minute lunch/recess break.  There should be a twice a week PE period and once a week music period and art period outside the normal class.  There should be no more than 1 hour of homework for the average child.  (In reality studies show that homework doesn't increase standardized test scores, so I would kill it all together, but I think an hour can be tolerated)

Jr/sr high those two recess breaks should disappear. 40 minutes lunch+free time should remain.  I have grown to appreciate the A/B alternating schedules, but I haven't read studies on it's overall impact.  I know the longer class times are beneficial for math/science/engineering classes where labs and projects benefit from longer engagement periods.  It's really hard to squeeze much engine/sheetmetal/welding work or a chemistry/physics lab into 45 minutes.

Again, homework doesn't do much for core course knowledge, though kids in AP classes should expect to study 45 min to an hour a night all year for AP tests.  This should be self-directed study from the AP guide for the test(s), and that time is based on a heavy load of 3-4 AP's each year, so study is round robin, a different guide each night.  The month before a college entrance exam like the ACT or SAT students should study the exam guide about 45 minutes three times a week.

Finally, we need more, smaller schools.  Humans are inherently better socialized in smaller groups.  Large schools with classes of 400-500 kids and a total population of 1500-2000 are stressors for most people.  Schools tend to hit their core economy of scale at around 800-1000 total students.

[sparkyv]

Every one of you make excellent points, to which I agree.  The root cause is EVIL.  Not much I can add.

[my_old_glock]

I think about this all the time since my wife is a middle school teacher here in Central Ohio.  I have lived here my whole life.

I am starting to think the roots of this are in the moral decay of society and the family unit, COMBINED with just plain evil - right now, on this topic, the devil is winning.

What are your thoughts?

Pat

I am not religious but,

...for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

.

[Azrckcrawler]

Finally, we need more, smaller schools.  Humans are inherently better socialized in smaller groups.  Large schools with classes of 400-500 kids and a total population of 1500-2000 are stressors for most people.  Schools tend to hit their core economy of scale at around 800-1000 total students.

I would agree but social media has got to go.  Reducing school size wouldn't help the fact that kids these days are part of a huge online community where any information can spread at lightning speed (good or bad).  Kids are not capable of handling that amount of information/pressure overload. Honestly I think adults struggle with it as well.

Culture is also a problem.  With religion on the decline where do people learn right from wrong and morality? Currently it would appear to be Facebook/Instagram/Twitter. We are doomed if this doesn't change.

This particular shooting looks to have been preventable.  Amazing the amount of information an independent news source can dig up in under 24hrs that paints a much more accurate picture than what the news media is pushing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeA7HOF27xY 

After that video came out it was discovered that someone even phoned in a tip to the FBI regarding this kid on the 5th of Jan, 2018 - stating he had a gun and was threatening to shoot up the school.  No investigation was started in the local field office.

[The_Shadow]

The biggest issue has to be disruptive family life.  Both parents working, single parent family and broken family relations takes its toll on the children.  Religion and religious teachings does help to instill respect for thy neighbor to a point if reinforced by family structure.
The parental role and supervision has to also guide by example with respect for oneself and other people and property!

News sources usually only show the bad things that take place.  Movies & Video games glorify illegal activity and weapons, brain washing the minds of younger people on a daily basis.  Social media isn't any better...example; Tide Pod challenges.  Then some turn their attention to trying to fit in with gangs, this actually may entail illegal activity as initiation or acceptance...

Now, take a young, disturbed, unsupervised, adult reaching out, not being accepted by anyone, turns to any form of acting out, anger, for what ever reason and then unleashes that energy, without any clear focus to consequences for anyone or anything to include themselves.
Then it doesn't take much to grab what ever is at hand to implement an action anytime, anywhere! 

[Olgo]

sqlbullet, seriously? They did all that? No wonder.

I agree with moral decay. It's "all me not you. You don't matter" generation. I'm nearly 68 and I watched the society going to hell in a hand basket. As a society we were supposed to be working together and getting along as a group. Instead it became a wasteland.

By the way, they're using guns because it's too hard to get C4 and make bomb vests.

[blaster]

I agree on the above mentioned reasons they are all real problems that contribute to these events. but another one is troubling me. it seems to me that when ever the media is a buzz with some Democrat scandal or corruption being un covered, there is a horrific shooting  that shifts everyone's attention away. leo 10-7 hit on the left's use of "Rules for Radicals" and the quote from Bill Ayers. these shootings fit right in with that mind set. why didn't the FBI follow up on the tips? probably because the political puke higher ups kept it from happening. what if they decided to LET this known problem kid shoot up the school? for the leftists it is a triple win. 1- something else to blame Trump for. 2- the anti gun hysteria is revived and 3-  their own bad deeds get swept under the rug. with all the dirty dealings that are being uncovered on the Clinton/ Obama/ Soros gang. I wouldn't put it past them to do something this horrible!

[Olgo]

Blaster, what you are saying is that we are pawns in the games of political chess. We are expendable.

[blaster]

yes!

[Sneed]

Blaster, what you are saying is that we are pawns in the games of political chess. We are expendable.

If you actually believe you live in a constitutional republic you are probably a product of the american "education" system.

[Olgo]

My school days were the good ones. They taught us about the Government, the Senate and the Constitution. We had values back then.

It WAS a constitutional republic.

[45BBH]

This sounds odd, but I hope it's something simple like a bad family life and a combination of psychotropic drugs.  Part of me, however, thinks all these shootings are connected, planned out well in advance.  We hear one side from the mainstream media, but there are many aspects to these shootings that don't add up with the official narrative.  I'm just saying mind control is possible, it's even been admitted by the CIA.