Tactical Edge RD-10

Azrckcrawler · December 14 2017 11:46:09 AM MST

http://www.tactical-edgearms.com/product-p/rd10gry.htm

Anyone have any experience with their 9mm version? This looks sexy. I might have to sell a few things from the safe....

Ramjet · December 14 2017 02:39:36 PM MST

Pricey you can get into Kriss Vector for less.

Keiichi · December 14 2017 04:48:52 PM MST

... and a Sub2000 or MechTech for less than that...

I wish companies looking at a price-point like $2k would actually do something interesting and unique, and actually appropriate for a PCC... The AR platform pattern is not appropriate for cartridges that can be fed through the grip in my view, with the only real benefit over more novel designs being the volume and variety of aftermarket parts - which isn't really a benefit when it costs so much to begin with. At least the KRISS has a novel mechanism.

chschs · December 14 2017 05:06:25 PM MST

My issue with this gun is that it's all style, with no substance.

You can build a similar gun for half the price.

It's just a straight blowback, so beyond the "style" there's zero innovation here.

If they had designed some sort of piston, DI, or delayed/retarded blowback design and greatly reduced the reciprocating mass then we'd be onto something.

I mean, the Sig MPX is a gas-piston 9mm with much less reciprocating mass and you can get them on sale right now for around $700 less than this thing costs.

Azrckcrawler · December 15 2017 07:46:57 AM MST

Maybe I missed something, where can I get a 10mm carbine with an AR trigger and safety for half the price? This one includes the brace, an upgraded trigger, iron sights and comes in nice colors.

No offense intended, but the manual of arms on most of the guns mentioned as alternatives suck for anything other than bench shooting. Even if you hate AR's, take a carbine course and you will realize it gets a lot of stuff right. This carbine appears to be the same form factor. The price does seem high but it would appear they are launching a product that doesn't piggyback off of another offering. To be honest the price is not that far off from a new P220 in 10mm so I am not sure where the price concerns are coming from.

I would like a smallish 10mm carbine for the motorhome/RZR when we head up north. Currently have an ASR rifle which functions fine but the ergos and manual of arms leave a lot to be desired. While it looks like an AR it has a proprietary trigger that is not great, a cross bolt safety, awkward charging handle and no place to put your support hand (although they do offer handguards now). The natural inclination is to grip the mag well but that causes you to drop the mag when you bump the release. It functions well now that the feed ramp was changed and my wife and kid can easily hit stuff at 50 yds with it so it does the job but not as smoothly as I'd like.

Mechtech, uhh, haven't shot one but no way it works as well as an AR.

Kriss, big and ungainly. Cool recoil mitigation but not exactly an efficient use of space. I just don't see myself lugging that around in the RZR.

Kel-Tec, if you think they are great you have not shot one much. I have owned a 9mm version for 5 years and the build quality looks good on the surface but I don't see it lasting thousands of rounds. No way this would hold up to 10mm as designed. It is compact, but again, not offered in 10mm. That said, it is near impossible to use the iron sights due to the super low cheek weld required and if you put a tall optic on it you loose the ability to fold (unless you dump more cash into it for a rotating fore end, ask me how I know). Trigger is crap, cross bolt safety is awkward and the charging handle is entertaining when you hand it to an unfamiliar user. I still love it despite the flaws.

SIG MPX - it's the wrong caliber. Offer in 10mm and it is what I am after. Not sure where you are finding them for $700? They have been overpriced since day 1 and then they get you a second time with their $50 mags. Scorpion is a better option if you are price sensitive - almost half the price to get one, CZ's mags are $15-20 and a $6 trigger spring takes care of the trigger.

So compact 10mm carbines w/ AR manual of arms, what's out there that I am missing?

sqlbullet · December 15 2017 08:42:49 AM MST

RMW Xtreme:

http://www.rmwxtreme.com/#top

Or Build

https://www.rainierarms.com/quarter-circle-10-glock-large-frame-lower-receiver/
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Kaw-Valley-Precision-8-5-10MM-4150-QPQ-AR-15-Barr-p/kvp-10mm-bbl-8.htm
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/New-Frontier-Armory-AR-40-STANDARD-40-S-W-10MM-B-p/nfa-ar40-bcg.htm

Plus standard AR parts should put you at around $750-$800 for blowback build.

Haven't located a DI barrel in my 5 minute search, but that would actually probably be cheaper since you could use a standard lower and 6.8 SPC bolt and mags. That would save $220 off the lower and a 6.8 bolt is only $50. Barrel should be about the same price, but even if you went full custom you could probably get someone like x-caliber to build one for $250 or so.

I think this is a nifty little gun. And if it runs right outta the box, could be cool. But I would prefer to have a DI over a blowback. And there are several options in both DI pre-built or blow-back build I can spec in just a few minutes for half the price or less.

Azrckcrawler · December 15 2017 10:22:22 AM MST

I do appreciate the links and after building 4 rock crawlers over the years I know the joy of creating something and saving a buck. In my younger childless days I had time for such pursuits but now I have 2-3 hours of me time each weekend and I prefer to spend it pulling a trigger ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$ Like you said I want something out of the box ready to run from a single source. I will do some searching at lunchtime for the pre-built DI 10mm carbines you mention. I am sure a lot has changed since I acquired the ASR. At that time I didn't see any other turn key 10mm carbines that interested me. FWIW I am into that for right around $800 with another $150 dedicated to the red dot and mags.

So, cost be damned ${$default_laugh_smiley}$ anyone have experience with the RD-9? It appears to run but I am not seeing a lot info from what I would consider to be a non-biased source.

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 15 2017 08:42:49 AM MST
RMW Xtreme:

http://www.rmwxtreme.com/#top

Or Build

https://www.rainierarms.com/quarter-circle-10-glock-large-frame-lower-receiver/
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Kaw-Valley-Precision-8-5-10MM-4150-QPQ-AR-15-Barr-p/kvp-10mm-bbl-8.htm
https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/New-Frontier-Armory-AR-40-STANDARD-40-S-W-10MM-B-p/nfa-ar40-bcg.htm

Plus standard AR parts should put you at around $750-$800 for blowback build.

Haven't located a DI barrel in my 5 minute search, but that would actually probably be cheaper since you could use a standard lower and 6.8 SPC bolt and mags. That would save $220 off the lower and a 6.8 bolt is only $50. Barrel should be about the same price, but even if you went full custom you could probably get someone like x-caliber to build one for $250 or so.

I think this is a nifty little gun. And if it runs right outta the box, could be cool. But I would prefer to have a DI over a blowback. And there are several options in both DI pre-built or blow-back build I can spec in just a few minutes for half the price or less.

Azrckcrawler · December 15 2017 01:04:19 PM MST

I got distracted at lunchtime, 460 Rowland upper. Mfg is aptly named ${$default_shocked_smiley}$

http://bazookabrothers.com/pages/shop/7?category=2

sqlbullet · December 15 2017 02:35:58 PM MST

Yeah...Not for me. I don't have a 460 rowland pistol, so no ammo sharing. And I do have a 458 SOCOM. In a 16" carbine it will make the Rowland cry.

Keiichi · December 15 2017 02:41:13 PM MST

Quote from: Azrckcrawler on December 15 2017 07:46:57 AM MST
Mechtech, uhh, haven't shot one but no way it works as well as an AR.

I've got a couple thousand rounds or so of 10mm (from cheapo lightweight PPU to full power Buffalo Bore 200gr) and a few hundred random .40S&W through mine over the past few years with no issues at all. The upper is just as reliable and capable as the Glock it's attached to, and both the manual of arms and mechanism are simpler than an AR. Your nay-saying is baseless; try one out if you get a chance. Oh, and you could get one in 460 Rowland... food for thought.

Regardless, you seem to have missed my point. I'm not arguing against a $5-700 AR PCC, since then you could justify taking advantage of the aftermarket for parts and accessories to make it right for your needs. I'm arguing against a $2000+ AR PCC, since for that MSRP they could have built something far better suited to pistol calibers. I'm not saying that the MechTech or the Kel Tec or the Kriss are the best options - I'm saying that those are the cutting edge in their own way, and for the cost of this AR PCC, innovative manufacturers who aren't lazy could create something even better than those. Using the AR platform as a handicap is a step backward.

Azrckcrawler · January 26 2018 04:31:30 PM MST

Kinda surprised at the price vitriol on a 10mm forum. Looks like I am going to be the guinea pig on this one. Tactical Edge has an 8 hour sale going as of this morning, SHOT18 gets you 20% off anything on their webstore.

Will post a new thread with a review when I get some rounds down range. I lucked out as the mfg is currently running a 4-5 weeks backlog when I called. Got a call back and they said they had one grey one in stock hanging on the wall. Sold.

Keiichi · January 26 2018 09:42:25 PM MST

If by "price vitriol" you mean careful consideration of the value proposition of the firearm, relative to any limitations faced by the buyer, in the context of the market...

I'd assert that when the cartridge tends to be on the expensive side, the value proposition of the firearms chambered in it should be even more carefully scrutinized. As such, discussions like this should be well expected on a 10mm forum.

I will look forward to your thread, to hear all about your experience with it. Hopefully you'll find it to be worth your investment.

NOI · January 27 2018 05:47:45 AM MST

Some people like AR's a lot and don't mind paying for what they want, being aesthetics, a specific configuration or whatever. I say do what you want. As an aside, I am generally a fan of supporting manufacturers putting out things you'd like to see more of....like 10mm carbines...and this being a discussion forum, seeing different reviews makes it more interesting.

I think the board has been offering advice to save you some cash on a similar product that will likely perform the same. That's all. Not exactly a bag of d!cks.

Azrckcrawler · January 27 2018 04:48:08 PM MST

Quote from: NOI on January 27 2018 05:47:45 AM MST
Some people like AR's a lot and don't mind paying for what they want, being aesthetics, a specific configuration or whatever. I say do what you want. As an aside, I am generally a fan of supporting manufacturers putting out things you'd like to see more of....like 10mm carbines...and this being a discussion forum, seeing different reviews makes it more interesting.

I think the board has been offering advice to save you some cash on a similar product that will likely perform the same. That's all. Not exactly a bag of d!cks.

I would never have paid the 2100 original asking price but 1600 shifted the value proposition for me. The brace it includes goes for the mid 300's and it does have an adjustable trigger which sounds comparable to a good drop in AR trigger (but adjustable). Should be interesting. Noveske also announced a 10mm PDW at Shot. I hope all these spur someone to come out with a glock compatible extended mag.