Carry ammo and let's be real

Started by Overkill338, December 09 2017 08:38:25 PM MST

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Ramjet

I am a fan of Lehigh defense Exteme defender low recoil but very effective ammo. Low recoil helps with follow up and accuracy.

https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/10mm-auto-115gr-xtreme-defense-ammunition?variant=5403093508

DiamondD

#16
Anyone chrono the Underwood 135 HP from a G29?  I'm thinking I may use these for home defense as they should be pretty explosive and not penetrate my whole house if I miss or once they go through a bad guy.

SPDSR

#17
I wouldn't recommend using those lightweight 30-year-old technology jhp's that weren't even designed for defense when they were made, no matter what they chrono at. "Explosive" is not an actual wounding mechanism. If there is a chance your round will strike an unintended target behind a wall in your house - don't shoot. Are you going to pause and analyze..."hmm my pregnant wife is right behind that wall, so if the bullet goes through the wall it may strike her, but since I am using subpar boutique ammo it might not penetrate the wall, so I shalll take this shot because I am OK with less likelihood of shooting her, even though there is still a chance of shooting her regardless" ...You either don't shoot no matter what Ammo you have if there is a risk like that, or acknowledge if you are in such a dire situation that your response is to shoot someone you will need Ammo with the greatest potential for incapacitation without compromise.

If for some other reason you prefer lightweight bullets get Barnes rounds.

Spudmeister

Quote from: Ramjet on December 20 2017 07:16:55 PM MST
I am a fan of Lehigh defense Exteme defender low recoil but very effective ammo. Low recoil helps with follow up and accuracy.

https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/10mm-auto-115gr-xtreme-defense-ammunition?variant=5403093508

No... I have no idea what the best carry ammo is.  So many choices and everything is the best thing since sliced bread according to some "expert".  However... the testing I have seen with the Extreme Defender bullet has been very impressive.  If it is reliable in your gun (costs a small fortune to adequately test for reliability/accuracy) then I don't think you can go far wrong.    The whole issue with penetration is you don't know how much you will need ahead of time considering all the possibilities of bad guy size/angle/mental state and collateral damage. So you get what appears to suit your particular needs as well as possible.  Then train& practice, train & practice, rinse and repeat.

sgtbones

Tommac would you carry the 180gr Gold Dot at 1240 over the Winchester Silver Tips.

Buckeye63

Underwood 180gr GD .. For my Glock 29

Univibe

Um . . . .y'all are carrying a 10mm for self-defense?   

If I carried a 10 for self defense, I'd load it down to about 180 grains at 1050 fps, no more.  All the extra velocity gets you is more muzzle flip, and slower shooting.

My .45s are my range toys.  My new 10 is a cooler range toy.

On the streets of the Big City, I carry a nine.


Kenk

Was thinking about Silver Tips also

Kenk

#23
The  175 Grain Silvertips don't look bad at all for the G20

Muzzle Velocity   1290 Feet Per Second
Muzzle Energy   649 Foot Pounds

Rojo27

Quote from: Univibe on June 04 2018 08:05:25 PM MDT
Um . . . .y'all are carrying a 10mm for self-defense?   
If I carried a 10 for self defense, I'd load it down to about 180 grains at 1050 fps, no more.  All the extra velocity gets you is more muzzle flip, and slower shooting.
My .45s are my range toys.  My new 10 is a cooler range toy.
On the streets of the Big City, I carry a nine.

So you prefer to carry a 40 S&W.  No problem with that,  cheers carry on. 
Welcome to the forum.  A catalog search here will reveal many stimulating
discussions on the merits of carrying 10mm ammo loaded to FBI lite levels
(40 short & weak) or closer to original Norma levels. 
Different strokes for different folks. 

tommac919

Quote from: sgtbones on February 18 2018 04:51:24 PM MST
Tommac would you carry the 180gr Gold Dot at 1240 over the Winchester Silver Tips.


Yes, I still carry the Win Silvertips...  I practice with them at least 6x per year and know where they hit
As compared to the 180 gold dots above, there's prob not much diff but I don't practice with them.... my reloads I've use copy the Silvertips ( tho they are 180grain) the shot placement is very similar at the same range.
I stick with Stips cause they as mentioned, are not on the high end, but still enough power and allows me multi good hits.

Quote from: Kenk on June 05 2018 04:07:27 AM MDT
The  175 Grain Silvertips don't look bad at all for the G20
Muzzle Velocity   1290 Feet Per Second
Muzzle Energy   649 Foot Pounds

The newer STips are not as hot as the older... they have lowered the speed...more like 1175fps-1200fps in the G20 barrel ... YMMV.  For me it's multi hits that count.

tommac919

As a PS to above.... been finding it harder to get enough Win STs lately ..... been using most of my stocked up ammo.

For a change over to newer/easier to get, I started using Sigs 10mm hollow point V-crown.   It hits in a diff place than the Silver Tips, but that's just practice


tommac919

They might be spec'ed at that speed.... But IIRC, that was with a 5.5" test barrel.  ( not the 4.6 in the G20 )

In the G20 stock I say a max of 1200 if your lucky but more like high 1175

Kenk

Still a good carry rd, don't know that  one of my favorites, Underwood's 155gr at 1,500 FPS would be so great, over penetration could certainly be a possibility