Speer 200gr Speer Gold Ddot HP (IC Nov2017)

[Rick R]

Thanks!

Now if someone would just kill some Jello...

[The_Shadow]

I'm sending IC these back to test them out and compare the velocities directly from the same gun. This may shed some light on the exact powder used...
Two will have 7.4 grains of BE-86 one new 200 gr. Gold Dot #54000 and one old 200 gr. Gold Dot #53883
Two will have 7.4 grains of Power Pistol one new 200 gr. Gold Dot #54000 and one old 200 gr. Gold Dot #53883
Also one will have 7.4 grains of the original ? powder ? with the old 200 gr. Gold Dot #53883

It may be BE-86 powder but we will see how they stack up!

[RDub01]

Hey Shadow
Great post.. Didn't know Speer offered a 200gr loading.  Would like to see this shot over a chrono to see what it really does...

A little trick I've used over the years when I run into a really stubborn bullet.. Is to put the round under a seating die and actually 'seat' the bullet in further just a little, thereby breaking up the adhesive/sealant.  Usually doing this does not damage the bullet in any way, unless the seating plug does not fit the bullet well.
One time while pulling a Rem .40 Golden Sabre, the bullet core popped out and the jacket stayed behind, glued to the case.
Sometimes you think the bullet is on top of so much powder that you can't push it in any more, but eventually it breaks loose.

[The_Shadow]

Thanks RDub01...

Here are the numbers Intercoler posted in the ammo page;

EAA Limited Pro 4.75" barrel 1068, 1072, 1086. Average 1075.33 FPS/ 514 LBS
EAA Super Match 6" barrel 1128, 1100, 1096. Average 1108 FPS/ 545 LBS

Not real barn burners, but should work pretty well.

FMS1890, also chronographed some of the Speer 200 GDHP loads this weekend:

Delta Elite 5" barrel - 1074, 1086, 1066, 1069, 1060 - 1071 fps av.
Glock 20 4.6" barrel - 1041, 1025, 1034, 1017, 1003 -1024 fps av.

I would have preferred more velocity.

When the weather permits Intercooler has the ones listed above I sent back to play with and we can get a better feel for them after that testing,
I hope that Speer makes the new 200 gr. Gold Dot #54000 available as components someday! 

[RDub01]

Thanks Shadow..  Thats about what I would expect from that powder charge.

The only 200gr load I tested was the HSM..  7.7-7.8grs (most likely Longshot) at 1076fps out of a 4.6" Glock. 

Yes, a full power 200gr GoldDot  would be an interesting round for sure!

[The_Shadow]

Feb 28th velocity results from IC...
This was the reloaded 200 grain Gold Dots, one was the new style #54000 and the other #53866 the 40S&W contract pulled with known powder as shown.

200gr Gold Dot #54000/#53883 7.4gr's Power Pistol
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1013, 1071 Average = 1042 FPS/ 482 LBS

200gr Gold Dot #54000/#53883 7.4gr's BE-86
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1096, 1099 Average = 1097.5 FPS/ 535 LBS

200gr Gold Dot 7.4gr's *(don't know if it was PP or BE-86)  *This was the original powder from the pull down used with an old style #53883
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1106 FPS/ 543 LBS

Remember that the Factory ammo the bullets are also sealed in the casings...it is what made it so difficult to pull and broke the priming pellet loose in the initial pulls

[Pctechdude]

Feb 28th velocity results from IC...
This was the reloaded 200 grain Gold Dots, one was the new style #54000 and the other #53866 the 40S&W contract pulled with known powder as shown.

200gr Gold Dot #54000/#53883 7.4gr's Power Pistol
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1013, 1071 Average = 1042 FPS/ 482 LBS

200gr Gold Dot #54000/#53883 7.4gr's BE-86
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1096, 1099 Average = 1097.5 FPS/ 535 LBS

200gr Gold Dot 7.4gr's *(don't know if it was PP or BE-86)  *This was the original powder from the pull down used with an old style #53883
EAA Limited Pro 4.75" 1106 FPS/ 543 LBS

Remember that the Factory ammo the bullets are also sealed in the casings...it is what made it so difficult to pull and broke the priming pellet loose in the initial pulls

An old trick my uncle taught me was to put the cartridge in your press, and push the bullet down with the seater die about .2 or so. It breaks the sealant. Has worked well pulling military 30-06 AP bullets using the kinetic hammer method

[The_Shadow]

Thanks for the tip about the sealant, I know that the Speer sealant is sort of rubbery yet it held very firmly!

[Taylor]

Lucky Gunner has tests posted on their website of the 200gr GD in clear ballistics gel.

[Pctechdude]

Thanks for the tip about the sealant, I know that the Speer sealant is sort of rubbery yet it held very firmly!

Welcome, and it is, I remember it well on the 124 grain gold dot +p load I pulled down. I will say it works well, unless it's a very compressed load, but not to often a factor in pistol ammo. There's a few loads it won't work on without bullet deformation, however for the majority it should help.

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