Yankee Marshall and IraqiVeteran8888 feud

[SavageOne]

I believe YM's problem with IV8888 is that he believes that Matt and Chad are more part of the firearms industry vs fire arm activist they have tried portraying themselves as with the whole "not one inch" talk. YM has also stated that he doesn't believe that the NRA with LaPierre is actually interested in fighting for the 2A as much as it's concerned with keeping a crisis going to make money off of. YM also took exception to he and other "non-NRA" fans(though he is a member of the NRA) being banned during the Gun Collective round table. He also pointed out that the owner of Rand CLP said  something to the effect of "he didn't care about the ban as long as it didn't effect his bottom line".

It seems YM's believes that Matt is refusing to call out members of the industry because he is making money from them and has stated that he is fine with that. In fact he said he hopes Matt makes a lot of money from them, just don't accuse those who do call them of "dividing" the gun community.

EDIT: Sorry, meant Eric and Chad. I work nights, so this morning was the end of a very long day.

[my_old_glock]

... YM has also stated that he doesn't believe that the NRA with LaPierre is actually interested in fighting for the 2A as much as it's concerned with keeping a crisis going to make money off of. ...

I believe the same thing. I do not think everyone in upper management behaves that way, but I think a large majority does. This claim was made back in the mid-1990's when there was a split between the Neal Knox supporters and the "Mo-Money" crowd. Unfortunately, the Mo-Money crowd won. Back then a large number of NRA staff didn't even belong to the NRA. They also gave lucrative contracts (mailing, printing, etc) to companies that were owned by supporters of anti-gun legislation. Companies that were owned by NRA member and who offered to do the work for 1/3 the cost were turned down.



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[cwlongshot]

Personally speaking, I "like" Eric and his crew at iraqvet8888 and dislike YM & JY. I am subscribed to IV88 and NOT the other two bums.

Never saw eye to eye with YM liberal slant.

JY is too full of himself, talk about someone who likes the sound of his own voice.. I wonder if he dont have a mirror beside the camera so he can watch himself!!

CW

[sqlbullet]

He has two.  That way he can watch himself watching himself.  And he films it so he can watch himself watching himself watch himself.

[SavageOne]

While I respect everyone's opinion on the YM, may I point out that regardless of his political slant, he is 100% Second Amendment. He has stated that "shall not be infringed" means just that. I am not saying that Eric and Chad are not Pro 2A, as well, but I know of at least two instances where Chad has implied that negotiation over the bump stock might be worth it. He has since back stepped a bit and said he is against the ban, but his initial stance was a bit to Fuddy for me. Let's not fool ourselves, Eric and Chad are tied to the Industry side of this, IV8888 makes a lot of money off of it(and I say "good for him"). He has the second largest YouTube gun channel and until getting put on the spot appeared, somewhat, squishy on his opposition to the ban. He chided those who were expressing legitimate frustration and anger with the NRA and seemed to be attempting damage control over LaPierre's and Cox's initial stances.

Bottom-line for me is when it comes down to two sides(even when I like the individuals on both sides), one that has unequivocal support for the 2A and one that seems willing to budge, I will pick unequivocal every time. There is no margin for error in this fight.

[Spudmeister]

James Yeager just got the tires too.

First... thank you for the link.  Second....  I am frustrated because this is just not the place to say what I am thinking of YM.  This is a good forum and worthy of mature standards.  So... no matter how much I think YM is full of "soup" (my grandmothers word), I just need to keep my mind on 10mm guns and cartridges.  Some days I hate being grown up. 

[sqlbullet]

Yeah...Except not budging may be the error in the fight.  Winning the war is about picking your fights.

I would gladly give up bump stocks for an open registry.  Think about that.  No more open market bump stocks, which were $150, but the ability to buy brand new NFA machine guns.  Back in the day a full auto AR-15 was the same price as the semi-auto version.  Just pay the tax ($200) and deal with the hassle of an NFA gun, which most buyers elected not to.

Is this 100% 2A?  Nope.  But it is MORE 2A than we currently have.

Same goes for UBC's and reciprocity.  More gun owners are negatively impacted by lack of reciprocity than are impacted by lack of UBC.  I buy guns somewhat regularly without a background check.  Both my Glocks were private party sales.  Would a properly masked background check been a bit of a hassle?  Yes.  But no less so than having to stop in Hannibal MO everytime I visit family in Indiana cause I have to stow my gun in the trunk before I enter Illinois. despite the fact that I managed to not commit any felonies in the 5 other states I drove thru.

The comments I have seen from guys like Chad or Eric have generally been in favor of compromises that would gain us ground in the fight.

Absolutists tend to lose it all.

[Ridgerunner665]

Exactly!

[SavageOne]

So you would trade bump stocks for new NFA guns, a $300 everyman's option for a multi thousand dollar rich man option. OK. You would give up UBC, which has shown no true discouragement to crime, for reciprocity, which was making it's way through Congress on it's own before LV. OK. What will you give up for "assault weapons"? What will you give up for magazine restrictions? Come on once you start dealing everything is on the table. There are no sacred cows once compromise has been started.

Let's see, what did we get for the 34' NFA? Oh that's right, nothing(well except restrictions). What did we get in return for the GCA of 68', let's see... more restrictions. The AWB of 94' got us...restrictions, but hey at least the only made it for 10 years right, compared to the others that is progress. So, what can we get out of restricting a, by the law, legal accessory? I mean let's be honest once we make a deal, it's not like the Antis will come back wanting more or challenge the deal in court(of course they will only say their side of the deal was illegal and the bump stocks will remain restricted).

We are starting off at a deficit and I don't believe that giving more up will help dig us out of this hole.

Are you willing to give up bump stocks, because you see no purpose in them? Because there hunters who see no need for handguns other than revolvers and no need for ARs(which are not as good as bolt guns...right). I mean a revolver and bolt action are still firearms, so the "heart" of the 2nd is preserved and the Antis promise that they won't come after those.. as long as you keep them in your house...in a safe...with a trigger lock...with the key kept at your local police dept... and give a good reason to check it out.

Death by a thousand cuts, is still death. I would rather stand strong and fight, always forward never back.

[Ridgerunner665]

What you say is pretty much true... But I prefer to pick fights I can win.

Trying to save bump devices after LV is a losing battle, it'll burn up a lot of time and money that could be better spent on something truly useful.

[Patriot]

If you only want firearm or ammunition content online that's free from all traces of sponsorship, product placement or marketing plugs...  There isn't any. 

Hey now...you're on the ONLY firearms content online that's free on any kind of paid content.

We are owned by nobody. Our reviews are real and come from real experience. We'll never take a penny from any company to push a product. And believe me, there has been a ton of offers from some big companies.

[SavageOne]

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The comments I have seen from guys like Chad or Eric have generally been in favor of compromises that would gain us ground in the fight.
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OK, so was Eric pandering to me with the "not one inch" sign he wrote while addressing this, or was he pandering to you when he made the compromise offers? See that's the problem you can't ride two horses with one ass. That's what YM was calling him out on.

[Rojo27]

If you only want firearm or ammunition content online that's free from all traces of sponsorship, product placement or marketing plugs...  There isn't any. 

Hey now...you're on the ONLY firearms content online that's free on any kind of paid content.

We are owned by nobody. Our reviews are real and come from real experience. We'll never take a penny from any company to push a product. And believe me, there has been a ton of offers from some big companies.

You're right, poor word selection.  My intention was to reference YouTube content.   

[my_old_glock]

If you only want firearm or ammunition content online that's free from all traces of sponsorship, product placement or marketing plugs...  There isn't any. 

Hey now...you're on the ONLY firearms content online that's free on any kind of paid content.

We are owned by nobody. Our reviews are real and come from real experience. We'll never take a penny from any company to push a product. And believe me, there has been a ton of offers from some big companies.

You're right, poor word selection.  My intention was to reference YouTube content.

What about TNOutdoors 9 and Shooingthebull? They don't seem to advertise.


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[Ridgerunner665]

Hickok 45 has sponsors, but he doesn't review items from them.