Guns that could be

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I went on a semi-rant in the Ed Brown LS10 thread about how I am a bit weary of new larger than service sidearm sized 10mm handguns.  I want options in a gun I can carry in comfort all day long.  And for years I carried a P16-40/10mm IWB, so that isn't a particularly high bar.

But there is a dearth of compact 10mm auto guns on the market.  The only option if you want a gun that you have a degree of confidence is the Glock G29.  Now I am a lifetime GSSF member and I like my two Glocks.  But they have no soul.

So, here is my list of guns I wish were in 10mm auto.  I have broken them up into both guns I would buy, as well as guns I think would sell, though not to me.

Guns I would buy if they came in 10mm at the same price as the 45 ACP version

• HK USP 45 Compact
• HK HK45 Compact
• Sig P227 Carry
• FNX-45 (Not tactical/longbarrel, just the straight FNX 45, more points for a compact model)
• Walther PPQ
• Ruger American Compact
• 1911 lightweight Commander HC
• 1911 CCO HC

Guns that I think would do well if they came in 10mm at the same price as the 45 ACP version

• SpringfieldXD Mod.2 3.3"
• Springfield XDs
• S&W M&P Compact
• S&W M&P Shield
• Kahr PM45

Same price is a big part of this.  I might even go a $50 or even $100 premium at street price.  But as we see with the P220, too often the 10mm version is a  $200-$400 more street price than the same gun in 45 ACP, and I won't pay that premium.

So, make your lists and post them up.  And don't try to be unique.  If one, two or three of my or some else' guns look good to you, put them on your list.  I am NOT doing the "poll" thing, cause I am sure there are options I didn't think of and I don't want them in "Other".  I wanna know what they are.

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Let's face it.  Part of the extra cost of the 10's over the 45's is the extra cost to tool up to make them.

Every different caliber will have costs connected to it and the 45's will in all probability out sell the 10's by a factor of 10 or 15.

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Part of the extra cost of the 10's over the 45's is the extra cost to tool up to make them.

Someone should let Glock and EAA know that.  They seem to have no issue selling their 10mm handguns for the same price as the 45 ACP version.

I get that tooling has a cost.  And that 10mm won't sell the numbers that a 45 ACP will, at least this year.

But Glock and EAA are two prime examples of companies that are making it work.

And...for a product like the Sig P220 Match that gets CNC'd from a block of stainless steel, the tooling change is a couple hours of a programmers time and a group by from Bar-sto for the barrels.  It isn't like the old days.  Re-tooling for a gun like the P220 Match is loading a slightly different program and hitting go.  Once the program is written, it takes only a few minutes to change.

Another gread example of this is Bar-sto.  Note they have P220 10mm barrels on their site, and they are the same price as the barrels for the 45 ACP 5" gun.  And the same price as the barrels for the regular old 4.4" P220 in 45 ACP.

I haven't seen the balance sheet from Sig, and if I did I might go "Oh, hmmm".  But they way the make the P220 match there isn't a huge tooling cost to produce one in a different caliber.  Which leads me to believe they are charging a bunch cause they think they can.  Good for them, bad for those of us that wanna see the 10mm gain some marketshare.

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I paid off my layaway  on my match extreme today at Buds,  and I noticed they have the stock 2 & stock III in 10mm back in stock. Both of them had higher prices than the same models in different  calibers. I don't know if that is exclusive for them or a new trend.

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I'm probably clueless here being a 10mm newb but I fail to see a market or need for a 10mm 3" or thereabouts barrel. Just because it can be done successfully is not enough criteria to introduce a sub compact 10.

My experience with a Glock 29 was not warm and fuzzy, admittedly it was a used 29 gen3 SF shooting Sig ammo and my grouping was more of a pattern at 10 yards. I've owned, fired and reloaded 454 Casull, 44 magnum and 45 Colt for a few years and never had issues with recoil. Barrel lengths were 2.5 to 5" and fun to shoot.

My current 10mm herd consists of three 1911 pattern guns, a Glock 20 and a Glock 40. I just can't imagine shooting full power loads from a 3" barrel but have some 135 gr. 1600 fps self defense loads that might get me back to warm and fuzzy with a 29.

Where is the allure?

Nick

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Two things.

1.  A sub compact 10mm gives me the same terminal ballistics as a full size 40 S&W.

2.  I don't have to shoot the nuclear when I practice.  Like a scandium 357 I can shoot FBI loads or plink with light reloads and then load up for real work when I leave the range.

Right now there is a dearth of small 10mm's.  And all the compact 9's and 40's I have (HK P30 SKS and a Sig P229) are the same size and capacity as my G29.  I like the G29, but would love to have some options with better soul.  I might still carry my G29, but I would rather have options that are still 10mm.

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I never saw the point in carrying a "back up" (pocket under sized) gun as opposed to carrying a full size gun as my primary. Also, I never felt the need for a light weight aluminum alloy gun as long as you have a proper belt/holster combination to hold the weight of the gun/spare magazines. My carry pistol is a full size 5" barrel, all steel 1911 pistol in 10mm. I have a secondary pistol that is a Dan Wesson Specialist Commander in all stainless steel in 10mm. A Commander sized 1911 is the smallest size pistol I will consider carrying as it is much more reliable than a 3" barrel 1911 and gives the cartridge more velocity than that short 3" barrel.