NOE 200gr WFN

Rick R · August 22 2017 03:28:23 PM MDT

Is anyone using this bullet? I got the guys over at NOE's forum to start a list to run a new batch of molds for it. If you want in mosey over and call "dibs" on a set.

I figure a 200gr at 1.200 fps should do for anything in the Eastern USofA.

sqlbullet · August 22 2017 04:14:36 PM MDT

I have this mold in the RF version with interchangeable pins for both a WFN profile at 200 grains and a hollow point at 180 grains. Far and away my favorite mold for 10mm. MIne is a five cavity.

Rick R · August 22 2017 06:41:43 PM MDT

They only have two cavity brass molds in stock so I asked for an inventory run. I figure a four or five cavity might have a better chance of keeping me in bullets.

Glad to hear you give it the SQL vote of approval.

erdyalx · August 26 2017 04:35:58 PM MDT

It's a dandy. I have the 200 grain 180 h.p. mold as well.

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Rick R · September 06 2017 08:09:21 AM MDT

BTW For you gents using this or similar molds, to gas check or not to gas check? That is the question.

I'm hoping to push these to around 1,200fps but still haven't ordered the mold yet.

Thanks

sqlbullet · September 06 2017 09:24:03 AM MDT

You trying to start a flame war? Gas checks...Loaded question.

I personally don't gas check any of my 10mm stuff. And I don't shoot rock hard alloys either. Generally air cooled, aged bullets cast from isotope lead + 1% tin. I size them .001" over groove and lube them with Felix lube, or I powder coat. I have no issues even with my hottest loads.

That said, 10mm is at the very highest end of what I will shoot without a gas check. Adding one certainly adds additional tolerance for any issue with fit or pressure, but at the expense of adding a gas check.

In the end I work around needing one since I am cheap and don't wanna pay for one.

Rick R · September 06 2017 09:33:15 AM MDT

I use COWW and @ 50% plain lead water dropped in my .44 Mag, .375H&H and .45-70 loads with gas checks so I'm not allergic to them. I also cast non-checked .44, .45 Colt and .45acp bullets with satisfaction using COWW.

It would be a bit cheaper to skip them in the 10.

Rick R · September 12 2017 08:46:29 PM MDT

I bought the five cavity plain base mold from NOE and got to work. It casts a 198gr bullet using clip on wheel weights. Water dropped, they are hard as woodpecker lips. Used a Lyman .401" sizer and White Label lube "BAC". Bullets were seated to a COAL of 1.24" as the longest I could get to work in my magazines.

I tried two powders in new Starline brass with Speer large pistol primers, BE-86 from 6.8gr to 7.6gr in .3gr increments and Unique at 5.9gr and 6.5gr
Accuracy across the loads was pretty uniform for me and my 58 year old eyes. I can get three of five shots under an inch at 25 yards then throw two an inch or more outside the group. There was minimal leading that easily brushed out of the SR1911's barrel. All primers were round with the primer dent being very small. Basically the same as this pistol does with factory ammo.

Using my ancient Chrony I first shot three Winchester PDX-1 9mm 124gr +P rounds out of my BHP and got an average of 1,210fps. I then shot five of the 7.6gr BE-86 loads and got 1,215, 1,217, 1,217, 1,225 and 1,229 fps. The 6.5gr of Unique load averaged @ 1,150fps and generated cap and ball quantities of smoke. The slide stop engaged three times in error and I also encountered small lead chips that prevented a round from chambering three times. Seating depth and lead hardness may need tweaking.

I'm thinking I'll use a 7.5ish grain BE-86 load for hunting or woods carry and a mild @6.0gr of Unique load for targets or IDPA matches. This looks to be a pretty decent bullet design.

The_Shadow · September 12 2017 09:13:32 PM MDT

The wide nose could be shaving on the barrel hood but more than likely as he bullet crosses the end of chamber cut it may be rolling some of the alloy against the edge. I had that happen with the 45 cast and it took some effort to remove the bullet material that prevented full battery chambering of the next round.

Rick R · September 13 2017 01:12:58 PM MDT

I believe the lead slivers were because I got lazy. I seated and taper crimped in one step which shaved off a bit of lead. Today I seated and then TC'd and the rounds look cleaner.

The_Shadow · September 13 2017 02:40:29 PM MDT

Using the one step method can shave the bullet to be rolled up inside or the out side of the casing and in most instances it can prevent proper chambering. This is why I always recommend the two separate steps of seating and crimp to finish. Reliability & feeding need to be 100%

Rick R · September 13 2017 06:34:29 PM MDT

I'm going to order a second seating/TC die. The twenty five rounds I loaded in once fired Starline brass today were over 7.2gr of BE-86 as I wanted to drop it back a notch. Five rounds over the Chrony were 1,198fps, 1,205fps, 1,209fps, 1,210fps and 1,215fps. They landed in a group as shown in the attached photo. A bit left of my zero with Hornady's 180gr XTP factory load.

I also fired the remaining twenty rounds off hand using my 9 round McCormick magazines loaded with a chambered round and they were 100%. The lead shavings from yesterdays loads apparently were the culprit in the failures to chamber. Recoil is stout, not as bad as my two 4" .44 Magnum revolvers but you know the primer worked.

I believe I'm going to continue with the 7.2gr loading as it pretty well meets my goal and doesn't feel as blasty as the 7.6gr load. A 200gr WFN at 1,200fps should topple over any critter east of the Mississippi river.

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The_Shadow · September 13 2017 07:34:15 PM MDT

About as perfect as you can get if the brass didn't expand or stress too much... ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

Rick R · September 13 2017 08:09:52 PM MDT

Brass looks perfect, supported chamber on the SR1911 so no Glock smile. ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$
Primer pockets were still tight after first firing up to 7.6gr, today's were at 7.2gr. I'll load them again tomorrow and check the web dimension against the Speer load's empty brass. Hopefully the brass will remain useful across several firings but my primary use for the 200gr @ 1,200fps load will be some limited practice, hunting and woods bumming.

I'm planning on using a 1,000fps-ish load for most practice and IDPA matches. Kind of a retirement home for tired brass. ${$default_grin_smiley}$

jmm701 · September 17 2020 11:05:03 AM MDT

Im interested in what your OAL was for this load. I am loading a similar one with 7.5gr of be-86 and was wondering if I should seat the bullet down further 1.22-1.23 like with other wide meplat bullets or if 1.24-1.25 seemed to work for you.

thanks,

Quote from: Rick R on September 13 2017 06:34:29 PM MDT
I'm going to order a second seating/TC die. The twenty five rounds I loaded in once fired Starline brass today were over 7.2gr of BE-86 as I wanted to drop it back a notch. Five rounds over the Chrony were 1,198fps, 1,205fps, 1,209fps, 1,210fps and 1,215fps. They landed in a group as shown in the attached photo. A bit left of my zero with Hornady's 180gr XTP factory load.

I also fired the remaining twenty rounds off hand using my 9 round McCormick magazines loaded with a chambered round and they were 100%. The lead shavings from yesterdays loads apparently were the culprit in the failures to chamber. Recoil is stout, not as bad as my two 4" .44 Magnum revolvers but you know the primer worked.

I believe I'm going to continue with the 7.2gr loading as it pretty well meets my goal and doesn't feel as blasty as the 7.6gr load. A 200gr WFN at 1,200fps should topple over any critter east of the Mississippi river.