Shotgun in the 12 gauge variety

REDLINE · December 02 2012 04:57:50 PM MST

Well you've loosely commented on taking the dive on a Glock. Maybe you could get a Glock and a Benelli Nova? A combo like that could change your life as you know it. Whether for better or worse.....well you won't know till you take the leap. ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

Intercooler · December 02 2012 05:08:28 PM MST

I think it was about three weeks ago I visited the PA Cabela's and tried the Gen 4 Glock. Yea... still can't ever own one and I'm good with that. I will try to locate one of these in a local store and compare all three. Just not a plastic fan ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

REDLINE · December 02 2012 05:12:44 PM MST

Sometimes it's about more than just the plastic.

Intercooler · December 03 2012 06:01:15 AM MST

Tried a Maverick, Express and Mossberg with wood stocks. The Express had the best action out of all of those but I like the safety on the Mossberg better. Also tried a 887 (I think that's it) and the slide release was on the front of the trigger guard. Sucked!

pacapcop · December 03 2012 07:05:35 AM MST

One thing for sure i need a folding stock.Im in a old structure with tight doorways and lots of partisions.You been spoiled by that wonderful grip of the Witness Match.Putting a Glock in your hand is like gripping a cereal box.I got over that hump.

REDLINE · December 03 2012 11:58:26 AM MST

They didn't have a Nova to try?

Intercooler · December 03 2012 02:12:35 PM MST

This Walmart didn't carry any Benellis. Shockingly you can order a Wingmaster through their catalog for $679. Later this week I'm going to the gun store to look at the Benelli and a Browning BPS.

Intercooler · December 03 2012 11:52:00 PM MST

4 positives in that video for the Mossberg vs the 870.

Intercooler · December 03 2012 11:56:30 PM MST

Any truth to this 1/8" gap leading to light strikes he talks about in this video? I checked these models at Walmart today and tend to believe this is only with a Benelli.

REDLINE · December 04 2012 01:31:20 AM MST

While he was demonstrating what he called an 1/8th" gap, certainly didn't appear to be an 1/8th" gap to me. More like a 1/16th" maybe.

My first question is; What idiot literally pulls back on the pump action before and during firing a round?!? Besides that, clearly he had to force the pump action to go back for it to go back at all.

Other questions are; What actually is wrong with his gun? Something or nothing? If something is wrong with his gun, is it his fault or the gun's fault? Was he tinkering with it? If he did tinker with it, did he reassemble it correctly? In this video he doesn't have a clue what's wrong or why. He makes it cycle again by banging it on stuff. ${$default_roll_eyes_smiley}$ He brings up numerous other recent firearm purchases that he claims have been nothing but problematic too. Does he even have the magazine nut tightened down that's holding the whole gun together? I don't know, and it seems he might not either. It's the first thing I'ld check.

Forgive me on the off chance I'm jumping to conclusions, but I feel I'ld have to hear a whole lot more from other sources before reading anything into whatever we saw between that dude and his Benelli in his video.

Intercooler · December 04 2012 01:45:33 AM MST

I commented on his video how he was half-shucking it causing the jams. I'm not convinced everyone out there has what it takes upstairs to own guns ${$default_shocked_smiley}$

EdMc · December 04 2012 06:12:33 AM MST

Long ago someone told me not to believe anything you read and half of what you see........that was long before the internet and Youtube. ${$default_grin_smiley}$

sqlbullet · December 04 2012 07:47:24 AM MST

Redline, there was a whole group of people that were taught to apply backward pressure on the pump during firing to speed the cycling of the action. I remember some guys where I grew up telling me this. Never seems like a good idea to me, but there are people who do it.

DM1906 · December 04 2012 08:03:28 AM MST

I've owned and had most common brands of shotguns, pump and auto: Winchester, Remington, Benelli, Browning, Mossberg, and a few I don't remember. I still have some of them, the rest have been gifted or traded around with family/friends. The best "shooting", by far, was the Browning auto. However, it was problematic unless it was freshly cleaned. Not a field gun for more than day trips. I don't think I would rely on it for home/self defense. Winchesters and Remingtons, well, they are what they are. I don't know about anything new within about the last 20 years, but had the 870 poised to vaporize a gumball machine for decades, and it never failed. As said, the Benelli has the appearance of the Glock of shotguns, but has a feel and function of an AK, functional, not very aesthetically pleasing, with a feeling of "plastic", in more ways than just the material. Good pump shotgun, just not "comfortable". My son loves it, though. In the end, I have 2 goto scatterguns, both Mossbergs: 500 and 5500, pump and auto, respectively. For over 30 years, the 5500 is, was, and probably will be the favorite of the lot. It's had 100,000 rounds through it, with minimal upkeep and it gets stripped and cleaned every few years, whether it needs it or not. Maintenance has been no more than recoil buffers every 10K rounds or so, and occasional gas seal O-ring, and a broken safety button (just the plastic part, replaced with aluminum). I also have a 24" slug barrel for it, and it shoots everything from light shot to heavy magnum slugs. About the 500, then as now (later models), the same argument still comes up: single vs. double action bars. Mine's always been reliable, and I've never heard of one failure due to it. Non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. Saiga and Ithaca have shown to be too problematic with continued use. I haven't owned either, but shoot with several folks who do. I've repaired and adjusted more of them than any other. Nothing more than eye candy and trade material, as far as I'm concerned. Some folks swear by them, but bring them to me for repair. In the end, quality, reliability and value considered, the Mossbergs win, hands down. Jury's still out on Benelli, and it may prove reliable, but the others I have got decades of a head start.

DM1906 · December 04 2012 08:07:14 AM MST

Quote from: sqlbullet on December 04 2012 07:47:24 AM MST
Redline, there was a whole group of people that were taught to apply backward pressure on the pump during firing to speed the cycling of the action. I remember some guys where I grew up telling me this. Never seems like a good idea to me, but there are people who do it.

I'll echo this, and add it's still taught during tactical training. If doing this causes problems with a shotgun, it's broke. The Benelli I have doesn't seem to have an issue with it.