Cutting Edge 190 grain copper solid

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 02:26:11 PM MDT

The bullet is .723" long

The_Shadow · April 01 2018 02:31:52 PM MDT

The 200 grain XTP is only 0.677" - 0.6810"
The Barnes 155 is 0.732"

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 02:34:26 PM MDT

8.8 takes me all the way back down to 1,275 fps...

Not really what I had in mind...I guess maybe I might just have to stick with jacketed bullets.

I'm gonna work with 9 grains a little more before calling it done though, feel it out a bit and see if I see any signs of pressure spikes at that charge.

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 02:35:30 PM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on April 01 2018 02:31:52 PM MDT
The 200 grain XTP is only 0.677" - 0.6810"
The Barnes 155 is 0.732"

And the 200 grain Nosler is .675"...

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 02:37:12 PM MDT

Sux....

I really wanted to like the CEB bullet.

I may have 146 or so of them for sale soon, if anybody is interested...

The_Shadow · April 01 2018 02:48:27 PM MDT

Some of the Solids have power bans that help to relieve the frictional values somewhat. The balance is going to be touchy but still a 190 grain moving at 1275 fps is still a great performance. Then you could just load them at the upper limits with the thoughts of not reusing the brass...

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 03:12:59 PM MDT

Yeah...I have no interest in reusing this brass anyway.

This gun isn't a range toy for me, so no high volume shooting.

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 03:13:38 PM MDT

The CEB is banded, not a lot of bearing surface on it at all...

Ridgerunner665 · April 01 2018 03:44:57 PM MDT

I figured somebody would have made a 200 grain bonded bullet by now... Designed for hunting (not the Gold Dot).

I got irritated at Hornady because they didn't have XTP's when I needed them... But when I looked just now there were in stock... I ordered 1,000 so that should last me a few years.

If anybody wants the 190 grain Cutting Edge Bullets.... I'll sell the 146 I have left for $100 shipped... That is a lot cheaper than they sell for.

2 unopened boxes, and one box with 4 bullets used out of it.

5pins · April 02 2018 04:32:19 PM MDT

I just orders some of these bullets to load in the 10mm and .45 ACP. I'm going to shoot them in some Clear Gel and see how deep they go. I will probably use Longshot because thats what I have that would be the most suitable.

Ramjet · April 02 2018 07:23:15 PM MDT

I have become a fan of Power Pistol with my 7" KKM in my Glock model 40 MOS. Good velocities with my Gas Checked 200 WFN. I actuall crimp a .416 Gas Check on these bullets. I have no leading even from my Kriss or my 18" G2 carbine barrel.

Did you try Power Pistol ${$default_huh_smiley}$

Ridgerunner665 · April 02 2018 07:50:05 PM MDT

Quote from: Ramjet on April 02 2018 07:23:15 PM MDT
I have become a fan of Power Pistol with my 7" KKM in my Glock model 40 MOS. Good velocities with my Gas Checked 200 WFN. I actuall crimp a .416 Gas Check on these bullets. I have no leading even from my Kriss or my 18" G2 carbine barrel.

Did you try Power Pistol ${$default_huh_smiley}$

Yes... It performed exactly like Longshot.

5pins · April 09 2018 11:44:43 AM MDT

I shot some of these 190gr CE bullets today and had disappointing result. I used a starting load of 8.5gr of Longshot and it was showing signs of pressure, slightly flat primers and smiley faces. The average velocity was 1135fps with a high of 1151fps and a low of 1126fps. This is through a Delta Elite. I'm either going to have to find another powder or drop the charge. One thing I noticed was that my firing pin hits were a little off center so I may have other issues going on.

The_Shadow · April 09 2018 12:27:37 PM MDT

5pins, there are several things to consider, CE 190's are long, those velocities are not bad for that loading. Therefore longer COL's and slightly less powder 8.2 - 8.4 can help lower pressures. The COL's can be checked as they're stacking inside the magazine. Seat them without any crimp when testing magazine stacking fit, this is so you can come back and adjust if necessary.
Originally 45ACP FMJ Ball was loaded to 1.2700" but when you start using flat point, Truncated Cone or Hollow Point those COL's will be shorter to allow feeding without binding inside the magazine. 10mm ammo when first came to market were TC and HP designs and 1.2600" was considered max for this reason. However some firearms can use slightly longer COL's to help keep pressures a little lower.

Then you also need to consider the chamber support of your firearm, being a 1911 Colt DE, this can be problematic with respect to upper end loading. These chambers have shown lack of support for as much as 200 degrees around the chamber and not just the feed ramps.

Some brass is softer than others and this can contribute to expanding and SMILES with lack of support. New Starline brass is softer because it is a handloaders brass that could be reused several times before work hardening makes it less malleable and stiffer.

If you don't mind sacrificing the brass with these bullets load them like you are doing. If it were me I'd load them hand weighed with 8.4 grains of Long Shot at 1.2620" COL. and be satisfied with the results and possibly having to toss the brass afterwards...

Ridgerunner665 · April 09 2018 01:16:29 PM MDT

Yeah, 1,130 - 1,150 fps with those bullets from a 5 inch barrel is moving right along.

I'd back them down to 1,100 fps and call it good if the accuracy was there.

But I understand wanting more speed, I did too... Just couldn't quite get there with any powder I tried, not even from a 7 inch barrel.