Cutting Edge 190 grain copper solid

[Ridgerunner665]

Bullet switch... https://cuttingedgebullets.com/40-190gr-handgun-solid

Going to be trying these high dollar bullets, 190 grain Cutting Edge solid (copper)...hoping I can get them to around 1,350 fps from the 7" barrel.

They are a long bullet at .725", so the load will likely be compressed using #9, maybe not though...just have to see.

If compression becomes an issue, I'll switch to magnum primers.

Why these bullets?
I tried cast bullets (Beartooth and my own castings) once before in 45-70 and had barrel leading issues with everything but reduced loads, just didn't come away with a positive attitude towards lead bullets even though I had good instruction on it (Veral Smith, Ranch Dog, and some others...if you know those guys)...sold my casting equipment, almost all my lead, and everything...won't be doing any more casting.

But, these copper bullets have a good meplat on them, should behave just like a lead slug as far as terminal performance goes....CEB claims they went over 50" in clear ballistics gel.

[The_Shadow]

Dang!
.40 190gr Handgun Solid $43.68  OUCH!   
SKU HGS 40 190  50ct

[Ridgerunner665]

Yeah, won't be shooting many of them...just using them for hunting...after sight in and load development, maybe 20 rounds per year.

It doesn't sound so bad that way 

[sep]

Interesting. The cost doesn't deter me as I am use to paying close to $50.00 a box for Barnes TTSX rifle bullets which I handload. The Cutting Edge web site says you can push these bullets to the same velocity as other 190 grain bullets. It looks like they have a pretty good sized meplat too. Aside from some additional case chamfering being needed (according to their web site) it looks like this might be a good alternative to hardcast lead.

Please post your results on here. I'd be interested to see how they do in your gun(s). I too prefer hard cast for woods defense for bears but don't like dealing with lead removal in my 10mms and particularly my revolvers. This might be a good solution. A simple application of Patchout/Wipeout may be all that is needed to remove any copper fouling...just like my rifles shooting Barnes bullets.

           

[Ridgerunner665]

I've been emailing back and forth with Cutting Edge Bullets, concerning load data... They gave me some QuickLoad data that I had already come up with myself, calibrated to their bullet specs.

That's all they had, but they are adamant that any reputable load data for a similar weight bullet can be used as long as the bullet is seated per the loading instructions... That is .266" sticking out of the case, which should work fine in most any pistol with proper length brass.... It will come out to 1.25" to 1.26" overall length.

The bullets arrived today but it will be a little bit before I get there to do anything with them.

[Texashogman]

I have found that in reloading rifle calibers with the CE and other similar solid bullets with driving bands that often time they like a slightly faster powder than what you would normally use----I also find that you cant push them as fast as lead core bullets as they seem to spike pressures esrlier and they seem to loose a little accuracy at top end

I am interested to see how a pistol CE bullet relates to the info I have found with similar type rifle bullets ---I will be waiting/watching for updates as you progress as this interests me too
I'm guessing this is going to be slower than a like lead bullet.


anyone try out their 125grain raptors?
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/400-120gr-handgun-raptor
looks like they have a 150 raptor also
https://cuttingedgebullets.com/400-150gr-handgun-raptor
(This is a long bullet for a 150 grain)

[Ridgerunner665]

13.5 grains of AA #9 is all that will fit under the CEB 190 solid... And that is very compressed, but it only produced 1,275 fps.

This bullet just doesn't have much bearing surface to get the pressure up with the slower powder, I'm gonna see what I can get out of Power Pistol next...

I have a recovered bullet that went into slate rock at 1,275 fps, it could just about be loaded and fired again...

[Benchrst]

A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!

[Ridgerunner665]

A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!

No its not, but I'm hoping for more...

I typo'd up there, it was supposed to be 13.5 grains, I fixed it.

[Ridgerunner665]

Look at the bearing surface...or the lack thereof...no copper fouling at all so far.

[Ridgerunner665]

The meplat is right at 31 caliber by the way....this bullet pretty well qualifies as an LBT style bullet, that meplat being about 78% of caliber.

[Benchrst]

A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!

No its not, but I'm hoping for more...

I typo'd up there, it was supposed to be 13.5 grains, I fixed it.

Kinda wondered about that, I was able to get 13.6 behind a 200gr XTP @ 1.255. Of course that's solid vs lead, RNFP vs JHP.

Following where you end up with this

Think 800X will end up in the mix?

[Ridgerunner665]

A 190 solid @ 1,275 is no slouch!

No its not, but I'm hoping for more...

I typo'd up there, it was supposed to be 13.5 grains, I fixed it.

Kinda wondered about that, I was able to get 13.6 behind a 200gr XTP @ 1.255. Of course that's solid vs lead, RNFP vs JHP.

Following where you end up with this

Think 800X will end up in the mix?

Maybe... But I'm hoping I can get there without buying more powders.

If Longshot behaved in a manner that fit where it is on a burn rate chart it would be great... But it don't.

[Texashogman]

the reason they use the driving bands in the solids is so that the speeds can be a bit higher and you can load them with like weight re-load data---if they added more bearing surface then you would spike your pressures early while trying to "engrave" the rifling (due to the harder core) so they couldn't be driven as fast --- all forms of monolithic copper bullets use some sort of "driving bands" in one way or another---if you can find a "wave style" driving band solid, they should be able to be driven just a bit faster than the "cut/square face" driving bands bullets --- each company retains their own patents on the designs of the bands though

[Ten Ten]

ridgerunner whats the COL with 13.5grs of A#9 ?

I just got theses in the mail today