Underwood 135 grain Noslers

[sgtbones]

Shot placement is key but never ideal. It looks like he was shooting the guy from the side. From what I have seen in some hunting videos, full power is the way to go. I can get 4 shots of Underwood off just las fast as the officer did.  The luxury,
the officer had was a stationary target and the perp was not shooting back.

[4949shooter]

I did watch it. The guy never even flinched as being shot.

I know shot placement is everything. But if I dropped back to ST's, I might as well stick with my Critical Duty ammo. They don't shed weight like the ST and are made to pass through objects including thick clothing and still open. Not much difference in speed either. 1080 vs 1130. I can shoot the Critical Duty's a lot faster than I can the Sig's or the Underwoods, no doubt about that. The big bonus is I can order the LE 50 round boxes of Critical Duty for $35+ shipping.

My mistake I quoted the wrong post.

I still value your opinion. If you guys think id be better off with Critical Duty than my Sig's & Underwoods, then I'll switch back. I know shot placement is key and being able to put the 2nd shot near the 1st is just as important. Plus its not hard to get target ammo close to matching 1080 fps

Been busy shooting some 10mm this weekend, of course.

I was in a rush when I answered your PM. I think the Critical Duty is fine. It functions great out of my G20's. It isn't the strongest 10mm (mid range load), but out of a G29 will be controllable. The Sig loads are fine as well. As for Underwood, you might want to stick with the reduced Delta Elite load from a 29. This is a 1240 or 1250 fps load, and will be more controllable out of the 29. But it all is determined by your wrist strength, shooting experience, and ability to place shots under pressure of a high risk situation.

My friend has a 29 which I have fired often. He refuses to shoot full power Underwood through it. We did fire some Double Tap hard cast. You really have to tighten your wrist with these loads to keep it functioning.

I would like to fire some Critical Duty through it to get the feel for it. Maybe I will pick up a box one day. I don't think you could go wrong with it though.

[4949shooter]

Here is the former "Delta Elite" load.

https://underwoodammo.com/shop/delta-elite-10mm-auto-180-grain-jacketed-hollow-point/

[sgtbones]

My Delta Elites are the Gold Dot version, in my G 20,29.

[4949shooter]

I wish they still made it with Gold Dots. Great bullets they are...

[Overkill338]

I wish they still made it with Gold Dots. Great bullets they are...

I've always carried Gold Dots in every caliber. Justin told me that Gold Dots just aren't as easy for them (Underwood) to get their hands on.

[4949shooter]

We carry them at work in 9mm. I could see with all the law enforcement agencies carrying them they would be difficult to obtain.

[cwlongshot]

I have loaded shot and carried the 175G Winchester Silvertips in my 10MM since the 10 was born. I have also shot a few deer with them in my loads to 1300+ fps and they simply work.
My father shot a 20# hog with my Delta many years back with a factory Silvertip at about 20 yards. Thru and thru penetration high behind the front leg broad side. The piggie ran but quickly ran outta steam still in site.
A 150ish deer I shot couple years back, was shot at about 50 yards quartering to me. The shot was on the front of the shoulder, high. The bullet clipped the spine and exited in a golf ball sized exit high but about the center of the lungs. It was a DRT having broken the spine. With almost 18" of penetration and breaking major bones. It was a hand load, the impact velocity was probably just north of 1300fps. I trust the Silvertip.

I also "play" with the 135 Noslers. Mostly in my Mech Tech carbine to see what velocities I can get shooting Coyotes. The holes, entrance holes they produce on 50ish # dogs is eye opening. They are not base ball sized but bigger then a golf ball, mostly I get exits but not the complete bullet. Impact velocities are 1650+.

I also shot a dog with a 155 Terminator cast hollow point and WOW did that bullet open up! I dont remember velocity.  I have shot some water jugs with the 40 and 135's at 1300 fps and they open up nicely!

To me they are a novelty, or nice for use on vermin, small 4 legged vermin. 

For my $ the 40 is tops with a 155/165 and the 10mm is tops with the 165/180 DEFENSIVELY. 2 legged vermin. That being said, My 40's see more 155 and my 10's 180's than any other bullet.

I like Underwood & Double Tap.

CW

[sqlbullet]

If you guys think id be better off with Critical Duty than my Sig's & Underwoods, then I'll switch back.

Like I said, only you can determine which one you shoot best under stress.  A timer is a great way to introduce some stress.

Put them on a timer.  If you can run a bill drill on a 30' target in 4 seconds keeping "A" hits, you are GTG. 

[Overkill338]

I do need to invest in a timer. Although I can feel the difference in Shooting speed between all the loads I've tried. I'm not too bad with the Sigs, but the Critical Duty, I'm quite a bit faster and accurate with.

[tommac919]

there are several shooter timers that work on the IOS an Android platform....

[sqlbullet]

there are several shooter timers that work on the IOS an Android platform....

This is what I was going to say.  I have the IPSC Shot Timer on my Nexus.

[inv136]

More of my opinions, 
I'm not knocking Underwood, not at all, I'm sure its all very good stuff....its just not what I'd carry for defense against humans, we're not that hard to kill.

Tell that to the two dead FBI agents who were killed during the 1986 Miami shootout with Michael Platt and William Matix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
"Although both Matix and Platt were hit multiple times during the shootout, Platt fought on and continued to wound and kill agents. This incident led to the introduction of more powerful handguns in the FBI and many police departments around the United States."
"As Platt climbed out of the passenger side car window, one of Dove's 9 mm rounds hit his right upper arm and went on to penetrate his chest, stopping an inch away from his heart. The autopsy found Platt's right lung had collapsed and his chest cavity contained 1.3 liters of blood, suggesting damage to the main blood vessels of the right lung. Of his many gunshot wounds, this first was the primary injury responsible for Platt's eventual death.[12] The car had come to a stop against a parked vehicle, and Platt had to climb across the hood of this vehicle, an Oldsmobile Cutlass. As he did so, he was shot a second and third time, in the right thigh and left foot. The shots were believed to have been fired by Dove.[13]

Platt took up position by the passenger side front fender of the Cutlass. He fired a .357 Magnum revolver at agents Ronald Risner and Gilbert Orrantia, and was shot a fourth time when turning to fire at Hanlon, Dove and Grogan. The bullet, fired by Orrantia's revolver, penetrated Platt's right forearm, fractured the radius bone and exited the forearm. This wound caused Platt to drop his revolver.[14] It is estimated that Platt was shot a fifth time shortly afterwards, this time by Risner. The bullet penetrated Platt's right upper arm, exited below the armpit, and entered his torso, stopping below his shoulder blade. The wound was not serious.[15]"

And this is just one of many shootings between law enforcement officers and criminals where the criminal was shoot multiple times (some as many as 12 or 13 times before finally being stopped. Some humans are not so easy to stop. Especially those humans who are evil and are actively trying to kill you. That's why I carry a gun and carry the most effective stopping ammunition that I can find. I've been through enough training programs and read plenty of encounters between law enforcement and criminals to comprehend that some bad people are damn difficult to stop. I'm retired now, but, the training still holds true because facts don't change.

[Overkill338]

I've went back and forth on ammo for myself. I'm going full on Critical Duty. They perform great out of a 10mm. Although I'm looking at 155gr Barnes too. But if the Critical Duty loses my confidence, I'll full time switch to my 9x25 Dillon barrel and use the 125gr XTP or 125gr Gold Dot or 125gr Nosler Bonded (which outperforms the 6 pedal Gold Dot. From my 3.8" barrel they average 1525-1550 fps.

[pacapcop]

That agency issue's Glock 22's. My guess 180 grain.