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[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Brotherhood Munitions 115gr FMJ (reman) (two distinctly different loadings here)
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 310 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: CBC & FC – Brass (cases very clean inside)
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5555" / 0.5565"
Dia. 0.3655" / 0.3550": 115 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 115.0 grains) Crimp line 0.3525" / 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1530" / 1.1530"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass & Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.360" / 0.3880" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" / 0.3740" Length 0.7480"



CBC brass Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: Silhouette 6.4 grains







Federal brass Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:W231 HP38 4.6 grains

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Buffalo Bore 147 gr +P Hard Cast
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1100 fps
Muzzle Energy: 395 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: JAG – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6345"/Dia. 0.3565": Hard Cast 147 gr. 
Actual weight 150.4 / 150.0 grains (flat base) Crimp line 0.3555" (red lube)
MEPLAT: 0.2300"
C.O.A.L.: 1.0730" / 1.0730"
Primer: Small Pistol primer Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3865" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7500"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: AutoComp 4.6 / 4.6 grains

[Intercooler]

The Brotherhood ammo gave pretty stable readings. I guess the two loadings make them similar over the Chronograph and I need to figure which one to put in the list (unless both will fit).

[Intercooler]

I had a feeling the Buffalo Bore would be more AutoComp.

When it comes to top end loadings, do you see any reason why AutoComp is used versus Long Shot? Supposedly Long Shot is a popular one for upper end 9mm.

Any idea on the Meplat for the sheet?

[The_Shadow]

Added the MEPLAT: 0.2300"   
Thanks for the reminder...

[Popapi]

WOW thanks Shadow....was just needing info on the 147 plusP and 124 standard in HST loaded ammo!

[Pctechdude]

Federal HST 124gr +P HST HP purchased in 2017
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 396 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5995"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 124gr. HST
HP depth 0.1250" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2085"  Six long segments
Actual weight 123.9 grains   (flat base) (Cannelure)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1030"
Primer: Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3760" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: 6.2gr BE-86*
* Off white flakes noticable in powder



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[The_Shadow]

Looks great Pctechdude.  Thanks!  Appears to have the black sealer typical of Speer, CCI and Federal LE ammo.
I show in my notes that I did one of these and it had AutoComp powder http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415

[Pctechdude]

Looks great Pctechdude.  Thanks!  Appears to have the black sealer typical of Speer, CCI and Federal LE ammo.
I show in my notes that I did one of these and it had AutoComp powder http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415

Shadow, that's why I tore two of these down just to see if they were the same. They indeed did have the black sealer, however not as much as the Speer 124gr +p I posted a while back. Those had a lot.

It's nice knowing the powder charges and which powders were in these, as I have at least 500 to 750 pulled 124 HST's. I may have to finally load them up for dispatch purposes :-)

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[Pctechdude]

Looks great Pctechdude.  Thanks!  Appears to have the black sealer typical of Speer, CCI and Federal LE ammo.
I show in my notes that I did one of these and it had AutoComp powder http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-ammo-pull-downs/underwood-9mm-115gr-speer-gold-dot-jhp/msg20415/#msg20415

I also wonder which powder gives more consistent velocities?

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[The_Shadow]

It is hard to say but the BE-86 would likely do well with the flash retardant.  I matched the UW 124 grain with AutoComp in his +P+ and it was dead on exact in the test...

[Pctechdude]

It is hard to say but the BE-86 would likely do well with the flash retardant.  I matched the UW 124 grain with AutoComp in his +P+ and it was dead on exact in the test...

Well today I ran an unscientific test lol, 5 factory 124 great HST +p and 3 of my own assembled 124 HST with be-86.

Factory HST
S&W M&P Shield 3.1" barrel
1143
1146
1155
1155
1140

To be honest I was shocked at the velocity for sub compact gun.

Handloaded HST
S&W M&P Shield 3.1" Barrel
1144
1157
1157

Ironically I have some 124gr gold dots loaded with 6.3gr be-86. Loaded to 1.120. in the shield it would bulge my brass where it was unsupported. I went and loaded some at 6.3gr again but seated them to the same depth as the HST @ 1.103 and not a single smile on my brass. I'm assuming that the longer cartridge was increasing the pressure due to shorter jump to the rifling?

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[Pctechdude]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Federal HST +P 147gr HST HP
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1050 fps
Muzzle Energy: 394 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: Federal Cartridge – Nickel +P
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6865"/Dia. 0.3545": FED 147gr. HST
HP depth 0.1160" / HP dia (tapered) / HP mouth 0.2060"  Six long segments
Actual weight 147.5, 147.6, and 148.2 grains   (flat base) (Cannelure) (black sealer)
C.O.A.L.: 1.1260"
Primer: Small Pistol Nickel color
Case: Diameter 0.3850" Crimp Diameter 0.3775" Length 0.7470"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? BE-86 5.5gr*
Off white flakes in mix*
*Three cartridges pulled, 2 at 5.5gr and 1 at 5.6gr*

I'm including lot number for reference in case someone pulls them down again and finds something different again. Shadow pulled down some with AA#5* previously.

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[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Metallwerk Elisenhütte GmbH NATO 124gr FMJ IC 8/18
Ballistics Information: 9mm / 9x19
Muzzle Velocity: 1213 fps
Muzzle Energy: 425 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: MEN – 17 Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6090"/Dia. 0.3540": 124 gr. FMJ
Actual weight 123.6 grains (exposed lead flat base) Crimp line 0.3540" black sealer
C.O.A.L.: 1.1565" 
Primer: Small Pistol brass color  Red primer sealer
Case: Diameter 0.3885" Crimp Diameter 0.3785" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? Proprietary ?  6.2 grains *
*( powder is similar to LOVEX D036)











Metallwerk Elisenhütte GmbH
MEN ammo is manufactured in Nassau, Germany to NATO specs and is imported by Magtech, its sister company. While not as well known in the US, MEN has a reputation for very high-level quality in Europe. MEN primarily focuses on military and law enforcement but occasionally small batches are brought to the US.

This ammo is brass-cased, boxer-primed, and reloadable. MEN stands for "Metallwerk Elisenhuette GmbH" and is part of the CBC (Magtech, Sellier & Bellot, and MEN) group.

LOVEX D036 5.7gr @ 1115 fps
LOVEX D036  6.3gr @ 1246 fps 33600psi

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Field & Stream 115gr FMJ IC 8_18
Ballistics Information: 9mm
Muzzle Velocity: 1122 fps
Muzzle Energy: 321 ft. lbs
Brass Make/Headstamp: MAXX TECH – Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.5600"/Dia. 0.3545": 115 gr. FMJ Bronze
Actual weight 116.0 grains (exposed lead concave base) Crimp line 0.3510"
C.O.A.L.: 1.1160" 
Primer: Small Pistol Brass color
Case: Diameter 0.3845" Crimp Diameter 0.3780" Length 0.7480"
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight:  ? * ?  4.6 grains

*Square cut flake powder CSB PSB5, VihtaVuori N3SL, VihtaVuori N3SH