Ted Nugent Ammo180 JHP pull-down

[The_Shadow]

Cartridge is from Ammo Manufacture: Ted Nugent Ammo180 JHP
Ballistics Information: 10mm Auto
Muzzle Velocity: 1256 fps
Muzzle Energy: 630 ft. lbs
Pictures: Before/After disassembly:
Brass Make/Headstamp: Nugent - Brass
Bullet Make/Weight/Construction/Info; Length 0.6380"/Dia.0.400": Speer Unicor 180gr. UHP
C.O.A.L.: 1.2500"
Case: Diameter 0.4210" Crimp Diameter 0.4215" Length 0.9875"
Primer: Nickel color
Powder Description/Positive ID/Type/Charge Weight: ? 11.0 grains silver color with yellow dust but similar to Accurate Arms #7 of which mine is darker
Tested 11/29/2012 Ted Nugent Ammo 180 Gr. JHP 480 fps : Diameter 0.4270"  primer slightly flatten

[Intercooler]

Advertised is 1256 FPS/ 630 LBS. I got 1237 FPS in testing.

[The_Shadow]

I need someone to look at newer AA#7 and compare it to this pictured sample, the weight of the charge does fit the profile for AA#7.

[Intercooler]

Looks like it has Yellow Zombie flakes in it 

[The_Shadow]

I added the data for advertised velocity and energy which Intercooler posted, it wasn't on the site I looked over Ted's ammo.

Here is the Acurate Arms profile for 180 gr. JHP No.7 11.4 grains 1232fps 36,600 psi

[Intercooler]

I would say that's pretty accurate. The magical cut-off for 10mm is 37,500 right? So this one could have been pushed a little more but is pretty much on the safe side of things.

[The_Shadow]

That's all for tonight I have the RTB, GAS and the Atomic left to pull to finish the 10mm stuff.  Then you 9mm's to pull for you and the 357's too.   

[Intercooler]

Did I send you a Precision Cartridge 180gr?

[REDLINE]

It does have the general appearance of No. 7, but my No. 7 doesn't have the gold pixie dust specks.  On the back of my 1# container it shows a copyright date of 2009, and in another spot it says v. 10-09, and in another spot it is ink stamped 08041029.  So I don't know what all that means for sure, but I'm suspecting maybe the powder was created in October of 2009.  Anyway, I bought it sometime around 2 years ago.

As for those gold pixie dust specks;  depending on how I took the pictures (various lighting and what not), I could virtually get all the powder to appear anywhere from "golden" to "silver/gunmetal-gray" and other colors.  Some of the powder flakes will reflect back whatever color anything is around them (this is mostly noticeable in closeups, but even otherwise to an extent). 

Also, when I simply look at the powder with the naked eye so to speak, I never see it looking anything other than silver/gunmetal-gray.  So I have a question;  Are the gold pixie dust specks only showing up on your pics, or do you see them with the naked eye too?

I specifically took and posted the 2 different pics, one with flash and the other without flash, so you can compare the two and see what I mean about how colors are a bit different in each case.  BTW, it is a blue toothpick for a loose size reference.  So what do you think comparing my pics to yours?  Same powder?

[The_Shadow]

REDLINE, My #7 is from 1990 and is more sherical with less flattened balls but is still darker like the pictures you posted.
Yes the "yellow pixie dust" stuff is very visiable to the naked eye (some of which was very fine dust particulate some are the same size as the flattened ball) actually is was coating the scale pan too. 

This could be something simular to AA#7  ? but a different powder.  Other brands of power are RAMSHOT and Vihtavuori powders, but I haven't fooled around with any of it so I have NO Idea about those!

N105 is about the closest to fit the profile?
Silhouette powder doesn't fit well with the profile?
True Blue seems a little closer to profile in other cartridges but I show no loads listed in 10mm to compare?

[sqlbullet]

I would bet money Nugent is buying from another loader, not making it in house.  That loader probably used a bulk powder with an OK profile for 10mm and worked up a mid-range load.  This is supported by the velocity testing we have seen.  Chances are none of us has access to this powder.

[Intercooler]

Pierce Ammunition makes the ammo.

[REDLINE]

REDLINE, My #7 is from 1990 and is more sherical with less flattened balls but is still darker like the pictures you posted.
Yes the "yellow pixie dust" stuff is very visiable to the naked eye (some of which was very fine dust particulate some are the same size as the flattened ball) actually is was coating the scale pan too. 

This could be something simular to AA#7  ? but a different powder.  Other brands of power are RAMSHOT and Vihtavuori powders, but I haven't fooled around with any of it so I have NO Idea about those!

N105 is about the closest to fit the profile?
Silhouette powder doesn't fit well with the profile?
True Blue seems a little closer to profile in other cartridges but I show no loads listed in 10mm to compare?

Weird.  Overall it looks like No.7 with a massive dose of those gold flecks from 800-X added to the mix.  Maybe sqlbullet is correct and it is some bulk powder of some sort we wouldn't normally see for loading our own stuff.  I don't know.

[Raggedyman]

Is the Unicor different from Gold Dot?

[The_Shadow]

The Ted Nuget ammo site listed it as UniCor, however it looks like the Gold Dot HP...Speer did get on some of the companies about using the Gold Dot name in their ammo discription.  Speer used to list a UniCor type of bullet aswell but it is not shown on the current site.

We created the first bonded-core handgun bullet. Using our proven Uni-Cor technology, we bond the copper jacket to the lead core one molecule at a time. We've virtually wiped out the cause of most bullet failures - core-jacket separation. In the process, we've assured high retained weights and excellent penetration. Most bullet makers add the hollow point cavity at the very last operation. This is not very smart if you want premium performance. We, however, form the cavity in two distinct steps. The first cavity operation establishes the limit of maximum expansion--a bullet isn't very effective if it rolls back so far that it falls apart--and precuts both the jacket and the core for symmetrical expansion. The final cavity operation establishes the rate of expansion. The flexibility of this two-step proces lets us tune each bullet to its intended velocity range. Bullets for low-velocity cartridges have a deep cavity; those for high-velocity have a shallow cavity. We put a lot into Gold Dot. Accuracy. Penetration. Incredible terminal performance.

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