Hornady finally emailed me back

[Overkill338]

I had emailed them asking a few questions. I asked them if the 200gr XTP was good for self defense and if it would perform within the FBI standards, and what is the target expansion window. I also asked if the 210gr .41 Cal FTX could be sized down to use in a 10mm. Then I asked if the Critical Duty bullet would be offered as a component for handloader, and do they have plans to make a full power 10mm Critical Duty that would approach 1300 fps. Here is their reply :

1.       The 200 gr. XTP has a working velocity range of 700-1200 fps. The bullet was designed around hunting and law enforcement. It would not give the full benefit of the FBI protocol for penetration due to the rapid expansion of the bullet under hydraulic shock.

2.       The 190 gr. FTX bullet would not work in a pistol cartridge due to the extended tip length you could not load it to magazine lengths.

3.       It is very unlikely that the Critical Duty bullet will ever be offered as a component bullet due to the fact that it would require a completely individual bullet seating stem to seat the bullet. If you tried to use a standard seater it would completely crush the profile of the bullet while seating.

4.       I don't foresee us producing a 1300 fps round for the 10 mm due to the following of the SAAMI standards of loading the cartridge. You would very likely have to drop the bullet wt. considerably to get this up to the 1300 fps.

[my_old_glock]

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2.       The 190 gr. FTX bullet would not work in a pistol cartridge due to the extended tip length you could not load it to magazine lengths.

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I don't see why it wouldn't fit. Is the bullet longer than the 10mm internal case volume?

I have loaded their 140gr FTX .357 bullet (sized to .356) in 9x23 and 357 SIG. It functioned, although it didn't perform as good as the 140gr XTP (without tip), because the FTX is longer and takes up more space in the brass case, so it has less powder to propel the bullet as fast as the XTP.

[harrygunner]

I saw you asking Hornady about this, then noticed they had replied.

For general FYI, they used to have that info on their website. I took a note of it. In addition to that 700 to 1200 ft/s range of speed for the 200gr XTP, they had 700 to 1500 ft/s for the 180gr XTP.

[Olgo]

Funny, I chose XTP over GD because they expand later thus more penetration. I call them late bloomers.

[Overkill338]

That's a case of employees not knowing their projects.

[The_Shadow]

Well when the 10mm auto was conceived there wasn't any carbines do bump up the velocities and bullets fired from the 10mm pistols making just over 1200 fps would be traveling slower and slower as it leaves the bore.  Therefore the projectile is inside the performance window of its design of 700 fps to 1200 fps.

http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/catalog/2009/19-22_bullets_handgun.pdf

For hunting purposes, I wish the Federal Trophy Bonded was available as a 200 grain Jacketed Soft Point...

[Overkill338]

Shadow, in your experienced, professional opinion, is the 200gr XTP good for self defense?

In my rifles I always go heavy. My 300 RUM I use 210 Bergers, my 338 Win Mag I use 250-300 grainers. So I've always preferred heavy bullets.

[The_Shadow]

Tic-Glock, the answer is yes, but shot placement is key for any caliber.  What needs to be understood is that if you strike your attacker or miss or have a pass through and strike an innocent person, they can sue you for any and all reasons...

As individuals we don't have a law enforcement response to back us up at the time of a possible engagement.  We have no way of knowing if an assailant will be wearing any sort of body armor either, having a firearm and ammunition suitable for stopping an attack is what we would need.  This is why I like a heavier projectile to have it reach vitals to stop the threat.

[Olgo]

I'm in the heavy slug camp myself. Only thing I'm wondering if the Uw 10mm 200 XTP I have will interrupt the shooter wearing a vest by impacts enough to break his concentration on shooting me.

Hmm... I just remembered this video so maybe I answered my own question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xtd_6XUGQ

[The_Shadow]

That will be subjective and based on the state that the attacker is in...if your attacker (God forbid) would be hopped up on drugs, the impact may not register at all to the drug induced state of mind.  If the attacker is not impaired and wearing some sort of armor he might feel like he was hit with a large hammer.  It is another reason to train for head shots should the situation warrant.

[Olgo]

After I realize the attacker's wearing a vest I'll be going for the pelvis rather than the head though I'll go for the head too.

The pelvis is a bigger target.

[gandog56]

Well when the 10mm auto was conceived there wasn't any carbines do bump up the velocities and bullets fired from the 10mm pistols making just over 1200 fps would be traveling slower and slower as it leaves the bore.  Therefore the projectile is inside the performance window of its design of 700 fps to 1200 fps.

http://www.hornady.com/assets/files/catalog/2009/19-22_bullets_handgun.pdf

For hunting purposes, I wish the Federal Trophy Bonded was available as a 200 grain Jacketed Soft Point...

Ahh, but there is now!

[my_old_glock]

I'm in the heavy slug camp myself. Only thing I'm wondering if the Uw 10mm 200 XTP I have will interrupt the shooter wearing a vest by impacts enough to break his concentration on shooting me.

Hmm... I just remembered this video so maybe I answered my own question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xtd_6XUGQ

I recipient of the bullet will feel the same, or less, force as the shooter. The recoil you feel in your hand is what they will feel on impact.

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[Olgo]

That guy in the video seems to disagree with you. 

[my_old_glock]

That guy in the video seems to disagree with you. 

I couldn't view it. The video was blocked for me.


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