.400" 200 grain Speer Gold Dot

[Overkill338]

So I emailed ATK about making a 200 grain Gold Dot and/or HST for the 10mm (not FBI lite). Here was their reply:

Hey, the .400 caliber bullet in the 180 Gr. is all that we have for now, we currently don't have plans to make a 200 Gr bullet, but time will tell if we make it or not. Thank you for considering us for your product development idea, you can click the link below and submit your idea.

So I followed their link and properly submitted my idea. They said I'll receive an email within 30 days. Cross your fingers!

[sqlbullet]

Best way to get a 200 grain Gold Dot is start buying lots of 200 grain Nosler JHP.  ATK see's market numbers indicating a strong market for 200 grain .400" and it will materialize fast.

[my_old_glock]

So I emailed ATK about making a 200 grain Gold Dot and/or HST for the 10mm (not FBI lite). Here was their reply:

Hey, the .400 caliber bullet in the 180 Gr. is all that we have for now, we currently don't have plans to make a 200 Gr bullet, but time will tell if we make it or not. Thank you for considering us for your product development idea, you can click the link below and submit your idea.

So I followed their link and properly submitted my idea. They said I'll receive an email within 30 days. Cross your fingers!

If you reload, you can try sizing down a 210 grain .41 cal Gold Dot to .401.

http://10mm-firearms.com/reloading-10mm-ammo/41-magnum-bullets-in-a-10mm/

http://www.speer-bullets.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?id=191


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[Overkill338]

I thought of that too. How hard is that?  But what would it do at 10mm speeds. Are the two close enough.

[sqlbullet]

Two steps to size the bullets down.  If you step that far in one pass the bullets can deform, and it can require a lot of work.

The bullets are made for 41 mag velocities, so they should perform well at the upper end of the 10mm spectrum.

[my_old_glock]

I thought of that too. How hard is that?  But what would it do at 10mm speeds. Are the two close enough.

It is fairly easy, if you have the sizing dies and a press, but those are expensive if you don't already reload.

The only problem you may run into is that the nose/flat part of the Gold Dot is too large/wide. The corner may cause the bullet to hang up on the top of the chamber. I didn't have a problem with Hornady 210gr .41 mag XTP hanging up on the top of the chamber, but they are not SPEER Gold Dots.

This is what the Hornady XTP 210grain 41.cal bullets look like.



This is how they work (in water) at 10mm velocities (~1100fps) from a stock Glock 20. Penetration is more than 24" (two 12" boxes) and less than 36" (three 12" boxes).





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[dred]

K ...

So, the recovered rounds you fired from the G20 look respectable.  Any chance you shot some groups you can show us for comparison.  I'm still a bit concerned about the process compromising terminal accuracy.  Thx for the pics - it is interesting.

I thought of that too. How hard is that?  But what would it do at 10mm speeds. Are the two close enough.

It is fairly easy, if you have the sizing dies and a press, but those are expensive if you don't already reload.

The only problem you may run into is that the nose/flat part of the Gold Dot is too large/wide. The corner may cause the bullet to hang up on the top of the chamber. I didn't have a problem with Hornady 210gr .41 mag XTP hanging up on the top of the chamber, but they are not SPEER Gold Dots.

This is what the Hornady XTP 210grain 41.cal bullets look like.



This is how they work (in water) at 10mm velocities (~1100fps) from a stock Glock 20. Penetration is more than 24" (two 12" boxes) and less than 36" (three 12" boxes).





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[my_old_glock]

K ...

So, the recovered rounds you fired from the G20 look respectable.  Any chance you shot some groups you can show us for comparison.  I'm still a bit concerned about the process compromising terminal accuracy.  Thx for the pics - it is interesting.

Black dot is 1", or the size of a quarter. The Glock 20 was shot from a sand bag rest. I only made 10 rounds, so I couldn't shoot more than 1 target. The other 5 were used for shooting in water. I isn't bad, but I should be able to do better.




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[Overkill338]

I went to Speers website, the only bullet they offer for handloading a .41 Mag is a 210gr Deep Curl HP. They don't make a 41 Gold Dot. I was excited for a moment there.

I guess it's back to hoping the 180 Gold Dot holds together, or hoping the 200 XTP doesn't blow straight through an assailant.

Wait, what about the 200 Nosler?  Aren't they a little softer?

Edit: just seen Hornady offers a 190 grain FTX  in 41 caliber. I Would be interested in sizing that down to .400" and seeing how it did in a 4 layer denim test.

[Overkill338]

I wrote Hornady while I was at it.

I have a few questions. First, what is the ideal muzzle velocity for the .400" 200 grain XTP, for self defense use (or ideal expansion window)? I'm getting 1143 feet per second from my Glock 29. Do you think it would fall into the standard FBI testing of 12" to 18" of penetration, or is the 200 grain XTP meant for hunting only?

Second, I was looking at the 190 grain .410" FTX bullet. If this bullet was put through a sizing die to take it from .410" to .400" to be used in a 10mm Auto, and had a muzzle velocity of 1225 to 1325 fps, do you think it could serve as a good self defense bullet?

Last questions, will you be offering the bullet from the .400" 175 grain Critical Duty line as a component for handloading? Is the 175 used in the .40 S&W & 10mm Auto the same bullet, and if so is that why the 10mm version is so watered down? Finally, will you ever be offering the 10mm AUTO 175 Critical Duty in a "Full Power" version, with a muzzle velocity around 1300 feet per second from a 4.6" Glock 20?

Im sorry for so many questions, but there are a lot of us wanting these particular answers. Thank you for your time and for the great products!

[my_old_glock]

I wrote Hornady while I was at it.

I have a few questions. First, what is the ideal muzzle velocity for the .400" 200 grain XTP, for self defense use (or ideal expansion window)? I'm getting 1143 feet per second from my Glock 29. Do you think it would fall into the standard FBI testing of 12" to 18" of penetration, or is the 200 grain XTP meant for hunting only?

Second, I was looking at the 190 grain .410" FTX bullet. If this bullet was put through a sizing die to take it from .410" to .400" to be used in a 10mm Auto, and had a muzzle velocity of 1225 to 1325 fps, do you think it could serve as a good self defense bullet?

Last questions, will you be offering the bullet from the .400" 175 grain Critical Duty line as a component for handloading? Is the 175 used in the .40 S&W & 10mm Auto the same bullet, and if so is that why the 10mm version is so watered down? Finally, will you ever be offering the 10mm AUTO 175 Critical Duty in a "Full Power" version, with a muzzle velocity around 1300 feet per second from a 4.6" Glock 20?

Im sorry for so many questions, but there are a lot of us wanting these particular answers. Thank you for your time and for the great products!

Looks like the 200gr 10mm XTP works from 800 fps to a little over 1200 fps.

The 180 XTP goes from 800 fps to 1450 fps.

The 210 grain .41 XTP works from 800 fps to 1600 fps.

I downloaded Hornady's latest catalog, and it didn't show a 190 grain 41 FTX bullet even though it is on their website.




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[Overkill338]

Thank you sir!

[happy trails]

Cheers and good luck.  Please post your results.

[Overkill338]

Someone mentioned buying a lot of Nosler Joe's so ATK will notice. How does the Nosler 200 JHP perform? Anyone put them through some gel testing?

[sqlbullet]

Here is a link to the video Chopping Block did of the Double Tap 200 grain Nosler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U90UsPS7oHs

Cutting to the chase...15" average penetration, 96.6% average retained weight, .652" average expansion.   This was a two shot test, four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.