10mm gel tests

The_Shadow · October 01 2013 10:13:41 AM MDT

Devastating! ${$default_shocked_smiley}$ Would you trust these if nothing else was available? Looking forward to the video! ${$default_cool_smiley}$

Raggedyman · October 01 2013 11:29:18 AM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on October 01 2013 10:13:41 AM MDT
Devastating! ${$default_shocked_smiley}$ Would you trust these if nothing else was available? Looking forward to the video! ${$default_cool_smiley}$

What you did there. I see it.

I'll be posting the video shortly but yeah, I'd trust these. I weighed the chunk you see at 13.7" as well as all the fragments I strained out. There's about 100 gr missing. You can see a hole at about 13" where a chunk left the block. I believe that was the core. I'd like to test this load a couple more times. Was the velocity satisfactory?

The_Shadow · October 01 2013 11:44:22 AM MDT

I'm also curious to learn what load you ran the Devastators with...was it the Power Pistol data? Did you see any leading?
I'll wait to view the jello shot video, I'm sure we will learn more as it rocked the blocks! ${$default_grin_smiley}$

sqlbullet · October 01 2013 12:22:47 PM MDT

HP cast bullets for the win!

Confirms what many of us lead heads have thought for a long time. I don't need a jacket even if it is cold outside! ${$default_tongue_smiley}$

Raggedyman · October 01 2013 01:05:54 PM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on October 01 2013 11:44:22 AM MDT
I'm also curious to learn what load you ran the Devastators with...was it the Power Pistol data? Did you see any leading?
I'll wait to view the jello shot video, I'm sure we will learn more as it rocked the blocks! ${$default_grin_smiley}$

9.5 gr of 800-X

Raggedyman · October 01 2013 01:55:04 PM MDT

10mm 156 gr Lyman Devastator hand load fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 587.3, 3.6"

Impact velocity: 1,450 fps
Penetration: 13.7"
Retained weight: N/A
Expansion: N/A

This bullet definitely lived up to it's name. Like the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. I just couldn't stop taking pics of this one. The deepest recovered fragment only weighed 22.5 gr and measured 0.616" x 0.307" x 0.110" but that fragment plus all the strained fragments (45.6 gr) only adds up to 68.1 gr, leaving 87.9 gr unaccounted for. If you look closely, you can see the mark where a fragment left the block at around the 13" mark, just before the last fragment that is in the block. I believe this to be the core, which should weigh in the neighborhood of 87 gr. Hopefully I can test again to confirm this.

10mm 195 gr Mihec cast LHP (shallow pin) fired from 4.25" S&W 1076 through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 587.3 fps, 3.6"

Impact velocity: 1,100 fps
Penetration: 26.6"
Retained weight: 192.2 gr

(no expansion)

9mm Underwood 115 gr Zero JHP fired from Glock 22 with Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 587.3 fps, 3.6"

Impact velocity: 1,234 fps
Penetration: 18.6"
Retained weight: 92.5 gr

(no expansion)

The_Shadow · October 01 2013 02:24:10 PM MDT

Very nicely done once again! ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

That block jumped up with the energy dump! ${$default_shocked_smiley}$

Raggedyman · October 01 2013 02:33:00 PM MDT

Quote from: The_Shadow on October 01 2013 02:24:10 PM MDT
Very nicely done once again! ${$default_cheesy_smiley}$

That block jumped up with the energy dump! ${$default_shocked_smiley}$

Thank you.

Energy dump?

Raggedyman · October 08 2013 10:39:00 AM MDT

10mm 200 gr cast softened point fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin. The bullet was water dropped and then the point was softened by hitting it with a propane torch while the base of the bullet remained in a water bath. 16-18 BHN. I apologize for the quality of the video. My main camera failed to record and I didn't notice I had the backup set to low quality. Let me know if you like the angle, though because I was thinking about including this angle along with my normal format. At higher quality, of course.

BB: 588.7, 3.1"

Impact velocity: 1,140 fps
Penetration: 28.1"
Retained weight: 203.1 gr
No expansion

The_Shadow · October 08 2013 12:09:21 PM MDT

Thanks, Very nice! Looks like the Speer 200gr TC SWC BB, No expansion, but plenty penetration! They would be a great "Hog Hammer"! or a "Zombie Skull Ventilator"!

Raggedyman · October 29 2013 05:21:26 PM MDT

10mm Hornady 175 gr Critical Duty fired from 4.5" EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 580.1 fps, 3.4"

Impact velocity: 1,119 fps
Penetration: 13.1"
Retained weight: 175.0 gr (counting the 2.0 gr rubber tip)
Max expansion: 0.652"
Min expansion: 0.566"

10mm 200 gr Mihec fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 580.1 fps, 3.4"

Impact velocity: 1,119 fps
Penetration: 23.5"
Retained weight: 193.5 gr

No expansion

The_Shadow · October 29 2013 06:05:42 PM MDT

Fixed both of these links to play and show...Thanks again!

Raggedyman · October 29 2013 11:47:24 PM MDT

Thank you again, too. Caught me slippin'. Had a crying baby when I was trying to post.

Intercooler · October 31 2013 04:42:24 PM MDT

Sent you an email about sending a couple more for a try at 1300 FPS. Think it would make a difference?

Raggedyman · November 01 2013 12:04:05 AM MDT

I'm sure a higher velocity would change the results and I'm happy to test anything you send but I think it's mostly academic because these bullets are not available as a component and there are several really good bullets that are available as components.

Honestly, I think that the load is perfectly adequate for defense as is. Not everything has to be nookular.