10mm gel tests

[Ramjet]

Fragments might. Want some to try?

I have shot deer with the .223 it is impressive how they drop

[REDLINE]

Not really.  Appreciate the offer though!

I'm a little lost with the mention of .223.  What where you signifying with the mention of .223?

[Raggedyman]

Hydrashock is an awful bullet and that 10mm load is weak sauce.

I wouldn't mind testing the DRT but it would be a while before I could get to it. Garauntee it will be less penetration than the 135 gr Nosler I tested.

[Ramjet]

I would agree it is a fragmenting bullet but the performance would be interesting as to the cavity and performance.

Dynamic Research Technology I have shot deer with there .223 load the same premise behind that bullet that is why mentioned it plenty of U-tube out there.  it might be good alternative of apartment dwellers where the issue of over penetration is of concern. Although you are entitled to you're opinion on the Federal load I will disagree with you. Plenty of two legged predators have been incapacitated with the 5.7 or 9MM or the tired and true 125 grain +p Remington load so a 180 grain expanding bullet .401 in diameter running close to 1000 FPS would be plenty for personal defense.  In any case I am not looking for long drawn out debate as I said everyone is entitled to their individual opinion and I respect that.

Send me PM I will send you 20 or so of the DRT bullets I have. I have not played with any loads so you are on your own on that part of it.

[REDLINE]

Dynamic Research Technology I have shot deer with there .223 load the same premise behind that bullet that is why mentioned it plenty of U-tube out there.

Thanks for elaborating.  Makes sense now.

[Raggedyman]

I mean that the Hydrashok bullet often fails to expand. I'd like to test those DRT some time but I still have A LOT of catching up to do with what Intercooler has sent me. I also just had a baby boy and my Witness has a broken trigger bar. I will continue to perform tests but no more 10mm until the Witness comes back from the shop and I'm not going to be able to keep up the pace I set before. Anyway, here are today's tests:


Buffalo Bore 180 gr Sierra Power Jacket

10mm Buffalo Bore 180 gr Sierra Power Jacket fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 599.2 fps, 2.9"


Impact velocity: 1,311 fps
Penetration: 10.7"
Retained weight: 181.1 gr
Max expansion: 0.853"
Min expansion: 0.560"




Selway 180 gr JHP

10mm Selway 180 gr JHP fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 599.2 fps, 2.9"


Impact velocity: 1,105 fps
Penetration: 12.9"
Retained weight: 175.2 gr
Max expansion: 0.678"
Min expansion: 0.600"






10mm 180 gr Winchester generic JHP hand load

10mm Winchester 180 gr generic JHP loaded over 10.0 gr of AA#7 fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 599.2 fps, 2.9"

Impact velocity: 1,106 fps
Penetration: greater than 16"
Retained weight: N/A
Max expansion: N/A
Min expansion: N/A

The bullet experienced significant fragmentation and deviated from its path, exiting the block at about the 16" mark. A second shot performed similarly.

[Raggedyman]

Got my Witness back from the factory today. They replaced the broken trigger bar and "adjusted the barrel," whatever the hell that means. Faster turnaround than I expected. I think they had it about 3 or 4 days. I really expected it to take a couple months.

That means I can do the 200 gr Gold Dot next time I get a chance to go out, probably in a week or two tops. I'd like to test it at around 1,050 fps and around 1,200 fps. I'm pretty sure that a charge of 8.5 gr of 800X will get me a little under 1,200 fps but I'm not sure what I should do at the lower end. Anybody have some suggestions on how to play "Price is Right" with the speed of sound on a 200 gr projectile? I'd like to get as close as possible without going over and I don't have enough bullets to do a lot of workups, especially because I need to use several for working up the higher end. Rome, that's not a hint to send me more, I'm sure this will be enough, I just want starting points to be as efficient as I can. I have 800 X, AA7, and AA9. What loads do you guys think would let me get where I want with the least workup for that lower end?

[The_Shadow]

Raggedyman, I can send you some more of them that Rome sent us for testing.

BTW 1088 feet per second = Mach 1.00049 = 741.8182 Miles per hour = 331.6224 Meters per second

We need to see a 1230 fps shot for the 200gr Speer Gold Dot
This will be around 9.2 grains of LongShot or 9.4 grains IMR800X

Test at 9.4 grains results...
Tested 8/16/2013 in the S&W1006 1265 fps / 710 ft lbs primer moderately flattened, Expansion 0.4290"
Limited Pro 4.75" 200gr Gold Dot 9.4gr's LongShot 1285, 1299, 1298, 1289, 1274. Average = 1289 FPS/ 738 LBS. Stout and accurate!

Limited Pro 4.75" 200gr Gold Dot 9.4gr's 800-X 1208, 1216, 1265, 1230, 1237. Average = 1231.2 FPS/ 673 LBS. Another nice one!

[Rome]

 
Sierra 10mm .400 180gr JHP Bullets 100 per box #8460
$27.40
Has anyone have any Experience at reloading Sierra bullets this is what the Remington factory 10mm looks like? How do they preform when velocities are cranked up?

[Intercooler]

Did you see the Buffalo Bore video? That's pretty cranked!

[Raggedyman]

[Intercooler]

Thanks!

   Updated the sheet with the results. Everything marked "Sent"... is. I have some more here included the new Hornady Flexlock if you want me to send them. All the 9mm +P and +P+ plus too. Could I send (2) of my Underwood loaded Gold Dots that are 1160 FPS or you want to work a couple of yours up to that? I would love to see what these actually look like in gel.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E#gid=6

[Raggedyman]

Thanks for all your work with the sheet. I think my ladder for the 200 gr GD should get to 1160 at least. I still have a lot of ammo to work through so let me get a little more caught up before you send any more.

[Raggedyman]

Tested today but I won't get a chance to post video until tomorrow. Here's a teaser. The larger wound track is a 156 gr Lyman Devastator at 1,450 fps.

[gandog56]

What was that movie lne?

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