10mm gel tests

[5pins]

Test Gun: Delta Elite
Barrel length: 5 inches.
Ammunition: Sig Sauer 10mm 180gr V-Crown.
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: PACT 1 XP with inferred sky screens.
Five shot velocity average: 1189fps
Gel Temperature 72 degrees.

I have tested the Sig V-Crown several times and have been less than impressed with their performance. So it was with some hesitation that I pick up a box of 10mm and .357 sig when I had the opportunity. In fact, after the .357 Magnum test, I had decided to not to try them anymore. But I decided to give them one more chance while at the same time not expecting much.


I got a five-round average velocity of 1189fps with a high of 1205 and a low of 1176fps.



Round one in the Clear gel had a velocity of 1222fps and penetrated to 18 inches. The expansion was .71 inches and a recovered weight of 177.3 grains. Round two's velocity was 1186fps and penetrated to  16.5 inches. The expansion was also .17 inches and the recovered weight was 177.6 grains.



The V-Crowns seem to have problems with the clothing test and wile not a complete failer the results were mixed. The first round's velocity was not recorded with the chronograph. It penetrated to 25 inches with a recovered diameter of .61 inches and weighted 177.8 grains. The velocity of the second round 1206fps and it penetrated to 19.5 inches. Recovered weight was 177.1 grains and the diameter was .65 inches.



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[Rojo27]

As always 5pins your tests are appreciated. 

With regard to your clothing test...  What materials are you using?  I've observed denim and a green material in several of your tests. 
So it appears your not going exclusively with the 4 layers of denim. 

Thanks again for your test. 

Couple of members have recently used the 180gr Sig V-Crown very successfully in hunting applications but I did notice the ammunition has shown to have problems with heavy clothing.  Good thing deer don't wear heavy winter clothing  !   

[5pins]

As always 5pins your tests are appreciated. 

With regard to your clothing test...  What materials are you using?  I've observed denim and a green material in several of your tests. 
So it appears your not going exclusively with the 4 layers of denim. 

Thanks again for your test. 

Couple of members have recently used the 180gr Sig V-Crown very successfully in hunting applications but I did notice the ammunition has shown to have problems with heavy clothing.  Good thing deer don't wear heavy winter clothing  !

I use the heavy clothing FBI protocol not the IWBA's four layers of denim. This link explains it.

http://www.general-cartridge.com/blog/what-is-heavy-clothing 

[5pins]

Test Gun: Delta Elite
Barrel length: 5 inches.
Ammunition: Speer 10mm 200gr Gold Dot.
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph G2.
Five shot velocity average: 1028fps
Gel Temperature 77 degrees.

I finally picked up a box of this ammo when Target Sports had it in stock when I ordered a bunch of 9mm ammo. I got a five-shot average of 1028fps with a high of 1040 and a low 1014fps.



Round one in the bare gel had a velocity of 1042fps and penetrated to 16 inches. Recovered weight was 199.3 grains and expansion was .65 inches. Round two also penetrated to 16 inches. Recovered diameter was .66 inches and weight was 199.1 grains. Velocity was 1032fps. 




In the heavy clothed gel, the first round's velocity was 1014fps and it penetrated to 18.25 inches. Recovered weight was 199.8 grains and its expansion was .65 inches. The final round penetrated to 17.5 inches and had a recovered weight of 199.6 grains and an expansion of .66 inches. The chronograph did not get a velocity reading.




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[Rojo27]

Thanks 5pins!

Like almost everyone else here; really want to see what this projectile would do humping along at 1200 or 1250 fps.  Speer might not see the value in loading hotter or selling the projectile as a component for loaders or smaller commercial loaders but I for one won't be buying any. 
I see very little differentiation of results for this cartridge compared to several other 180gr cartridges. 

[5pins]

I think Speer missed the mark on this one. It looks like they loaded it for carry to meet the FBI standard when it should have been tailored for hunting.

[The_Shadow]

Laded to a higher velocity they would open up sooner thus yielding slightly less penetration with larger expansion and energy dump! 
Still looking for these bullets to become a component for handloading someday!  But then if sales lack they might just dump them to the resellers... 

[Taterhead]

I just got finished watching and reading all 35 pages of this epic thread. Wow! Thank you to everyone who made it happen: Raggedyman, Intercooler, 5pins, the Shadow, and all the others I missed.

What did I learn? Probably no such thing as a perfect round, but the 10mm gives some SOLID choices as evidence by these great anecdotes. 10 years ago, who would have thought that we'd have so many choices in 10mm ammo and firearms.

[Overkill338]

Hornady 10mm 175gr CD in Clear Ballistics Gel



Test Gun: Colt Delta Elite.
Barrel length: 5 inches.
Ammunition: Hornady 10mm 175gr Critical Duty FTX.
Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel.
Distance: 10 feet.
Chronograph: PACT 1 XP with inferred sky screens.
Five shot velocity average: 1131fps.
Gel Temperature 70 degrees.

It would seem like I'm on a 10mm kick as of late and today is no exception. Today's offering is the Hornady 175gr Critical Duty. This round shot very nicely out of the Delta Elite. Recoil was not bad at all, but you could tell it wasn't as watered down as some 10mm's out there. The five shot group hit point of aim at 10 yards and there were no signs of overpressure, the cases and primers looked fine. The five shot average velocity of 1131fps was 29fps lower than the advertised of 1160fps.



Round one in the bare gel had a velocity of 1133fps and penetrated to 15 inches with a recovered expansion of .60 inches. Round two hit at 1141fps and penetrated to 17 inches with a recovered expansion of .58 inches.



In the gel covered in heavy clothing, the first round entered the block at 1150fps with a penetration of 17.5 inches and expansion of .57 inches. Number two went 17.25 inches, expanded to .55 inches, and had a velocity of 1169fps. Both of the rounds were recovered base forward.


 
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I've carried Critical Duty on and off. They are slightly stronger than a 40, and follow up shots are fairly easy. From the looks of this performance, I'd be right to start carrying it again.

[Rojo27]

Another 10mm test by Andrew.  We've had discussions on this forum about 10mm Federal Trophy Bond SP not performing well in recent clear ballistics tests.  Andrew does a nice job illustrating what might be causing the recent clear ballistic gel tests of that round to look bad.

I never have learned how to imbed a video on this page, sorry about the link. 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vRywrqRBfP4

[Rojo27]

Federal 10mm 200gr HST ballistics gel test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMeHw-rlIDo

[asteinel]

Here is a 140gr Maker SCHP through 4 layers of denim and 13" of a calibrated, (formerly) clear ballistics block. Glock 20 - 1,514 FPS

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[AlinMi]

Now that's impressive!!!

[5pins]

Yes it is. I would have expected much less penetration.

[The_Shadow]

Very Nice!  Thicker petals than Barnes TAC-XP  It appears that the base is tapered on the Maker 140 SCHP