10mm gel tests

[The_Shadow]

As I review the video, I have to ask did the bullet turn end for end?

[Raggedyman]

Yessir, it did. Good eye and great screen cap. It seems pretty typical for solids to turn 180 degrees. Here is the full size version of that pic:

[Mike_Fontenot]

I was interested in seeing your results for DoubleTap 150gr Nosler and DoubleTap 180gr Nosler, but if they are in this thread somewhere, I missed them.  Any plans to test those two?  (They seem to run better and be more reliable in my 10mm Kimber Eclipse Custom II than any other full power ammo I've tried).

[Intercooler]

Is the 150gr the same bullet as loaded in the Corbon's? That was done but not the Double Tap's.

[Mike_Fontenot]

Is the 150gr the same bullet as loaded in the Corbon's? That was done but not the Double Tap's.

Midway doesn't identify the make of the 150gr Cor-Bon bullet ... the pic looks a bit like the Nosler, but Cor-Bon's webpage seems to imply that it's their own make.  In any case,  the Cor-Bon 10mm 150gr JHP is NOT full power: 1325 ft/s and 585 ft-lbs.  DoubleTap 10mm 150gr JHP Nosler is 1475 ft/s and 725 ft-lbs.  The Cor-Bon ISN'T a full-power 10mm round ... not even in the same league with DT.  I don't know if there are any others, but the only full-power 10mm rounds I've shot are DoubleTap, Underwood, and BuffaloBore.  Most of the others I've seen are "FBI 10mm" ammo, or in some cases, .40S&W in a 10mm casing.

[Intercooler]

   Have you looked the sheet over? Many of the Double Tap rounds fall way short. I think lot of people complained about the Glock 4.6" ratings and they changed it now to a 5.5" barrel (CYA). With Buffalo Bore and Underwood you generally get what they rate them at. Actually, for the most part it seems most everyone not named Double Tap does well on the ratings 

[Raggedyman]

From what I've read, DT used to produce ammo that met their claims but several years ago they toned it down. Unfortunately, they didn't tone down their claims. No matter what the velocity, I'm not interested in buying from liars.

So far in my testing, every lead core 10mm bullet that weighed less than 165 gr failed to meet penetration standards. If Intercooler sent it and I haven't tested it yet, I will.

[Raggedyman]

10mm Hornady 175 gr Critical Duty fired from 4.5" EAA Witness through four layers of denim into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 580.1 fps, 3.4"


Impact velocity: 1,119 fps
Penetration: 13.1"
Retained weight: 175.0 gr (counting the 2.0 gr rubber tip)
Max expansion: 0.652"
Min expansion: 0.566"

10mm 200 gr Mihec  fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness into calibrated gelatin.

BB: 580.1 fps, 3.4"

Impact velocity: 1,119 fps
Penetration: 23.5"
Retained weight: 193.5 gr

No expansion

[Mike_Fontenot]

So far in my testing, every lead core 10mm bullet that weighed less than 165 gr failed to meet penetration standards.

What IS the penetration standard that you are using?  And is there simultaneously an expansion standard?

[The_Shadow]

I fixed the youtube for the 200 Mihec the video link was missing some of the elements to show and play.

Raggedyman, Also thanks for the post showing the results in the gel, it was great as usual!

[4949shooter]

Great tests Andrew!

Thank you again for your efforts.

[Raggedyman]

Thank you, Shadow. Sorry about that.

Mike, 12" is the minimum penetration for a cartridge to be suitable for defense.

[Raggedyman]

[The_Shadow]

Many have said that the 170's didn't open well.  At 23.1 probably why some felt the 10mm was too powerful with the deeper penetration.

Thanks again for another great video!

[pacapcop]

I think this is the most interesting test of the 10mm in it's original form. Thank You Raggedyman and to the donor as well. No freakin wonder my ears are beat up on the 10 in terms of over penetration. Great to see. It's still an education to those who do not know the full spectrum of the caliber and the various loads. Obviously this is what the past reflected and the whole FBI/Miami matter. Plus that block was rocked.