What happened to the VLTOR Bren Ten?

[The_Shadow]

It is my understanding that the big problem with comming out with the new Bren Ten is the family of Jeff Cooper would not sign his rights for the Bren over to Valor. Jeff Cooper

If you read the book "Bren Ten  -  The Heir Apparent" by Ron Carrillo, Jeff Cooper had nothing to do with the Company.

In an interview with Cooper and his Wife, they tell Carrillo that they had no money in the Company.  Actually Cooper says he never ever had much money.

He let them use the Raven insignia to both promote the Bren and Cooper's interests.

Yes, Ron Carrillo's book was enlightening.  Lt Col. Cooper was just a consultant on what the ammo should be, the elements that were to be included in the design that he felt necessary.

[The_Shadow]

The Peregrine Falcon was set into motion March of 1991, for the 10mm Phoenix.  By April 15 1991, they expressed changes to internals were to be done before the pistols shipped late fourth quarter.  That set the brakes on its forward momentum.

December of 1991 they put out a letter stating that they need to change vendors for a major component, thus shipping would be delayed yet again to second quarter of 1992.

[BEEMER!]

It is my understanding that the big problem with comming out with the new Bren Ten is the family of Jeff Cooper would not sign his rights for the Bren over to Valor. Jeff Cooper

If you read the book "Bren Ten  -  The Heir Apparent" by Ron Carrillo, Jeff Cooper had nothing to do with the Company.

In an interview with Cooper and his Wife, they tell Carrillo that they had no money in the Company.  Actually Cooper says he never ever had much money.

He let them use the Raven insignia to both promote the Bren and Cooper's interests.

Yes, Ron Carrillo's book was enlightening.  Lt Col. Cooper was just a consultant on what the ammo should be, the elements that were to be included in the design that he felt necessary.

In Carrillo's book Cooper and his Wife state that Dornaus and Dixon showed up on their doorstep asking Cooper for help with design and promotion.

Cooper stated he made one trip to California to the D&D shop just to make sure that they were set up to do it.  He was convinced at least they had what they needed 'shop-wise' to manufacture pistols.

[gandog56]

It is my understanding that the big problem with comming out with the new Bren Ten is the family of Jeff Cooper would not sign his rights for the Bren over to Valor. Jeff Cooper

That's incorrect. I was monitoring the VLTOR Fortis website's updates as the project that started from the VLTOR Fortis and morphed into the VLTOR Bren Ten. Their updates indicated that they had finally purchased or obtained the rights to use the name Bren Ten. They never gave a reason for why the project was terminated. They provided a list of retailers and started preparing interested buyers to expect notice of availability. The they just stopped giving updates and no notice of the termination of the project. I contacted them recently and they indicated that they are not interested in pursuing the project at this time. I heard that the person that was behind the Bren Ten project left VLTOR and the rest of VLTOR's management is not interested in the Bren Ten.

But this was why as I posted before it would have been nice if the website had posted that they were no longer interested in producing it. It sure would have been nice if they had let US know about that decision instead of just leaving us hanging for over two years. Like I said, their website STILL has a Bren Ten Icon, but it doesn't do anything when you click on it.

[BEEMER!]

It is my understanding that the big problem with comming out with the new Bren Ten is the family of Jeff Cooper would not sign his rights for the Bren over to Valor. Jeff Cooper

That's incorrect. I was monitoring the VLTOR Fortis website's updates as the project that started from the VLTOR Fortis and morphed into the VLTOR Bren Ten. Their updates indicated that they had finally purchased or obtained the rights to use the name Bren Ten. They never gave a reason for why the project was terminated. They provided a list of retailers and started preparing interested buyers to expect notice of availability. The they just stopped giving updates and no notice of the termination of the project. I contacted them recently and they indicated that they are not interested in pursuing the project at this time. I heard that the person that was behind the Bren Ten project left VLTOR and the rest of VLTOR's management is not interested in the Bren Ten.

But this was why as I posted before it would have been nice if the website had posted that they were no longer interested in producing it. It sure would have been nice if they had let US now about that decision instead of just leaving us hanging for over two years. Like I said, their website STILL has a Bren Ten Icon, but it doesn't do anything when you click on it.

They might be trying to sell the name and also what work and tooling that they have put into the project to an interested buyer.

The Auto Mag is being resurrected as is the Wildey.  Both of those new companies are within 60 days it sounds like of turning out product.

In my opinion the "New Bren Ten" would be much more likely to be successful than either of those two firearms.  The projected cost of the "New Auto Mags" is $3500 and the "New Wildey's" is $2900.  It has to be a very limited market for either of them.

[Sonny10MM]

It is my understanding that the big problem with comming out with the new Bren Ten is the family of Jeff Cooper would not sign his rights for the Bren over to Valor. Jeff Cooper

That's incorrect. I was monitoring the VLTOR Fortis website's updates as the project that started from the VLTOR Fortis and morphed into the VLTOR Bren Ten. Their updates indicated that they had finally purchased or obtained the rights to use the name Bren Ten. They never gave a reason for why the project was terminated. They provided a list of retailers and started preparing interested buyers to expect notice of availability. The they just stopped giving updates and no notice of the termination of the project. I contacted them recently and they indicated that they are not interested in pursuing the project at this time. I heard that the person that was behind the Bren Ten project left VLTOR and the rest of VLTOR's management is not interested in the Bren Ten.

But this was why as I posted before it would have been nice if the website had posted that they were no longer interested in producing it. It sure would have been nice if they had let US now about that decision instead of just leaving us hanging for over two years. Like I said, their website STILL has a Bren Ten Icon, but it doesn't do anything when you click on it.

They might be trying to sell the name and also what work and tooling that they have put into the project to an interested buyer.

The Auto Mag is being resurrected as is the Wildey.  Both of those new companies are within 60 days it sounds like of turning out product.

In my opinion the "New Bren Ten" would be much more likely to be successful than either of those two firearms.  The projected cost of the "New Auto Mags" is $3500 and the "New Wildey's" is $2900.  It has to be a very limited market for either of them.

If so I hope Ruger buys the rights. They have the resources to build the pistol correctly.

[BEEMER!]

Ruger certainly could do it and do it right, but I can see one problem.

By the time their Engineers would get done 'tweaking' it , you probably would not recognize it as a Bren.

[crockett]

I offered to buy the rights on the trade name and get this done some 4 years ago. Was declined by the owner with the promise that they will follow through.

What-ever.

This thing is dead in the water since a long time.

[The_Shadow]

Well VLTOR's reincarnation may in fact be dead!  But there is a fellow on Face Book Chuck Warner who is steadily working on producing a clone of the Bren Ten guns...Last communications I had with him the had all the CAD work done and testing a plastic model mock up!

We are printing 3D models now. How bout an all plastic gun? Lol.
Baby steps....

[Sonny10MM]

I hope so. I bet Ruger casted the frames for Viltor, but who owns the mold? If Ruger owns the mold I bet they could sell frames and parts to whoever they wanted and they could call it something else besides the Bren Ten.

[Buddy10mm]

And they could ship it with dragon-skin holsters, carried door-to-door by centaurs.

I really... genuinely... desperately wish someone would actually follow through on the Bren Ten resurrection.

But, then, I remember wishing genuinely, desperately for a Ferrari in high school...  I've still got my pickup truck.