Which of these Hollow Points would you like to see tested in Gel? (chopinbloc)

[Intercooler]

Precision Ammunition 180gr JHP. I think they use a Zero bullet
MAC Razorback 165gr JHP. It's a bullet like no other but may be a Montana Gold
Parabellum Research 165gr JHP Zero bullet
PRVI Partizan 180gr JHP. Their own
Hornady 165gr JHP Critical Defense
Hornady 180gr JHP XTP
Atomic Ammo 180gr JHP Gold Dot
Ted Nugent 180gr JHP Gold Dot
GAS Ammo 180gr JHP. Unknown but I think it's a Zero
Precision Cartridge 180gr JHP. They use a unique bullet I have no idea!
Underwood 135gr JHP Nosler
Underwood 155gr JHP Gold Dot
Underwood 155gr JHP XTP
Underwood 165gr JHP. I think it is an XTP
Underwood 165gr JHP Gold Dot
Underwood 180gr JHP. I think it is an XTP
Underwood 180gr JHP Gold Dot
Underwood 200gr JHP XTP
Cor-Bon 150gr JHP. Only have one!
Cor-Bon 180gr BCSP
Winchester 175gr JHP Silvertip


I didn't realize I had 20 different ones on hand. I kind of wonder if it's worth it testing say a 180gr XTP over just at a different speed? I can see some of these are unique never tested before which would be cool. Post your response of what you feel is or isn't worth it below. A couple I can't even ID the bullet as they are specific.

[pacapcop]

For curiosity,Prvi 180 jhp and UW 155 XTP.

[Intercooler]

I will send him those with the BCSP's, 220's, Razorbacks and Precision Cartridge. Don't know if the others are worth doing. Trying to think what tnoutdoors9 won't do.

[s0nspark]

I am interested in the Underwood 165gr Gold Dot and 200gr XTP... especially if they could be tested out of a Glock 29.

If anyone has links to other gel tests of Underwood ammo I would love to check them out...

[Intercooler]

The 165 hasn't been done but the 200 XTP has a decent amount of videos.

[pacapcop]

Agree,165 GD would be intresting.

[The_Shadow]

That 200XTP looks like the one I recovered from a nice buck...it was shot from 45 cal muzzle loader in a sabot over volumemetric 100 gr measure of Triple Seven.  Starting velocity was 2000 fps but struck the deer at 130+ yards and recovered under the hide on the far side. Hornady bullet opened up and rolled back on itself, expanded to .700" widest .640" narrowest, length from mushroom to base of the bullet .480", retained weight was 162 grains.

[Intercooler]

Sending these out now for testing:

PPU Partizan 180gr
Underwood 220gr HC
Hornady 165gr Critical Defense
Cor-Bon 180gr BCSP
MAC Ammo 165gr Razorback
Parabellum Ammo 165gr Zero
Underwood 155gr GD
Precision One Ammo 180gr
Cor-Bon 150gr JHP
Precision Cartridge 180gr

That's alot of work!

[gofastman]

That 200XTP looks like the one I recovered from a nice buck...it was shot from 45 cal muzzle loader in a sabot over volumemetric 100 gr measure of Triple Seven.  Starting velocity was 2000 fps but struck the deer at 130+ yards and recovered under the hide on the far side. Hornady bullet opened up and rolled back on itself, expanded to .700" widest .640" narrowest, length from mushroom to base of the bullet .480", retained weight was 162 grains.

WOW! thats pretty good for a bullet that is "designed" for 1200fps max (according to Hornady)

[The_Shadow]

gofastman, At 130yds down range target impact, the velocity for a bullet fired @ 2000 fps with a coefficent of 0.19 would be close to 1450 fps with a time in flight of 0.2649 seconds.

[REDLINE]

I've never understood AT ALL, IN ANY WAY, where Hornady is coming from in giving the .400 caliber 200 grain XTP a velocity range of 700-1200 fps.

In my wildest imagination I can't even begin to guess what criteria they were considering to make such a nonsensical limitation for that bullet.  I personally think they gave it little thought at all and considered that since 1200 fps would be about the fastest velocity anyone would be shooting it from a 10mm that they just arbitrarily labeled it at that and went on doing whatever else it is they do.

CLEARLY after many many many many examples of use, in something like Whitetail Deer, there is no reason it isn't good on up to AT LEAST 1500 fps.

For this particular case the bullet started out at a claimed 2000 fps.  And for that bullet it means that at 100 yards it would still be traveling at around 1640 fps, and at 150 yards it would still be around 1480 fps, according to ballistics tables.

Having seen plenty of other examples of what the 200 grain XTP has done in the past, I don't find it surprising at all, but rather expected.

Think about it.....we know of 135gr Nosler bullets effectively taking deer at much higher velocities.....then a 200 XTP sucks beyond 1200 fps?!?  Whatever.

[sqlbullet]

I guess I see it as Hornady basically saying they have tested are are comfortable with saying it will work in X-Y range.  It may work well beyond that envelope, they just haven't tested it enought to vouch for that performance.

[Raggedyman]

Chopinbloc, here.


I gotta say it will take me a while to get to the Prvi load. I love their .223/5.56mm ammo but other peoples' chrono results put it at about .40 S&W velocity. I'm kinda "meh" on it. Not to say I won't test it. I'm happy to shoot anything and grateful for Intercooler's donation to the cause, just don't look for it any time soon.

The 180 gr Corbon BCSP (bonded core soft point) will be next. After that I'm pretty interested in the 155 gr XTP, too. I'd also like to do more comprehensive tests on the most promising loads. If there is a particular bullet/powder hand load combination you'd like to see, let me know and hopefully I can get around to it. In between some of the 10mm tests I'd like to test some .223/5.56mm loads also so I'll be busy at least until it starts getting hot again.

Can this forum support a poll? If so, maybe Intercooler can take the top recommendations and put them in a poll and I'll just go in order of the poll results... until I get distracted by something shiny.

[Intercooler]

Yup you sure can do polls here. I probably should have starting off!

Everything I have seen on the PRVI Partizan is it just flat out sucks. Most of the time it doesn't even expand (water tests) but we will see!

[Raggedyman]

Not at all. I think it's useful to hear suggestions and then poll for the top suggestions.


ETA: Okay, 180gr BCSP test is up. Please let us know what you guys want to see next. Personally, here's what I'm most interested in, in no particular order:

A redo of the 200 gr XTP test
The Winchester soft point
The Golden Saber
An all copper Barnes HP


Also, I know this is a 10mm forum but I'm also going to be doing other tests. Please let me know what sort of bullets and loads you'd like to see tested. I'd like to focus mainly on cartridges or loads that don't get much, if any, formal testing.