National universal PISTOL PERMIT recognition!

[Mike_Fontenot]

If Hillary wins she will not take any rights away.

She's on record as saying that the Australian plan (confiscation) "should be looked at".

[Wolfie]

Australian type plan would require a amendment, that will NEVER happen here and you know that.

[BEEMER!]

Australian type plan would require a amendment, that will NEVER happen here and you know that.

Not necessarily so.  Hillary gets in and appoints 2 or 3 far left liberals to the Supreme Court and the intent of the Second Amendment can be interpreted differently and our guns are gone.

I am no fan of Trump but Hillary needs to be stopped because of the court.

[my_old_glock]

Australian type plan would require a amendment, that will NEVER happen here and you know that.

Not necessarily so.  Hillary gets in and appoints 2 or 3 far left liberals to the Supreme Court and the intent of the Second Amendment can be interpreted differently and our guns are gone.

I am no fan of Trump but Hillary needs to be stopped because of the court.

That proves the Supreme Court is a farce. Laws should be interpreted one way. If they can be interpreted in more than one way, they shouldn't be a law. The laws of physics can only be interpreted one way. If not, your ships sink, building fall down, and planes fall out of the sky.



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[blaster]

^ this!

[Geeman]

I chanced the title of the thread response to "National RIGHTS Recognition"

Kinda like a Bill of Rights.  Why didn't someone think of that before now?

If God gives rights as in the Declaration of Independence, what man has a right to take what God has given?

What is this Pistol Permit?  We the people create a government to serve and benefit man, and they "permit" us?  Do you have any idea how absurd that is to me?

I have my beliefs, and beliefs are something everyone has the right to.  As long as no harm is done, I may believe as I wish. 

The Constitution says I have a right to bring any matter where a dispute is over $20 to a jury in common law.  You infringe with my right, any right, I take you to court and you get to explain yourself, how I harmed you, and give you the chance to put your impartial third party witness on the stand.  I don't care what is stamped on the badge, I don't care the title of office, we get the chance to go man on man and let a jury decide right and wrong.  Taking a right is, by definition, a wrong.  That's the game I play.

Its all about what I permit, and no, I don't permit my servant to steal rights. 

Pistol Permit.... WTF is that?  Converting a right into a privilege?  Nope, just a matter of convenience.  Rights are inalienable.

Greg

[BEEMER!]

Australian type plan would require a amendment, that will NEVER happen here and you know that.

Not necessarily so.  Hillary gets in and appoints 2 or 3 far left liberals to the Supreme Court and the intent of the Second Amendment can be interpreted differently and our guns are gone.

I am no fan of Trump but Hillary needs to be stopped because of the court.

That proves the Supreme Court is a farce. Laws should be interpreted one way. If they can be interpreted in more than one way, they shouldn't be a law. The laws of physics can only be interpreted one way. If not, your ships sink, building fall down, and planes fall out of the sky.



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I agree, but the far left wing of the Democratic Party which seems to be coming into power views the Constitution as a "Living and Growing" document that changes with the times.

As they try to transform American into a "European Style Democratic Socialist Government", the Constitution must be viewed differently to facilitate the change.

[colt1911fan]

In NYS, permits in 55 out of 60 counties are for life without fees and only recertification.

Contrast to Texas and Florida who have renewal fees.

If Hillary wins she will not take any rights away. She will stack the court and the court will take gun liability away from gun manufacturers. According to Heller, you have a right to have a gun in your home. They will build on that.

If a court can rule that corporations are people, certainly they can rule on guns.

The second amendment was written when guns were one shot at a time.

Blaster you would not take reciprocity in exchange for national carry standards and background checks? How is that negotiating a right away?

I give up

I would take this trade in a second:

Shall issue national carry recognition AND with very limited "safe" zones.

FOR

* Required Basic 8hr training certification (such as NRA Basic Pistol which includes live fire) over and above Form 4473 requirements to get the permit (not the gun).
* Universal background checks on permanent transfers between any two parties, where permanent is defined by an exchange of more than 24 hrs where you are not also present.
* Accountability for firearms and allowing an unauthorized person unsecured access to it. In other words, you are accountable for any crimes the unauthorized commit as an accomplice if your firearm was accessed by them and not secured at the time. In your house with locked doors and no kids living there or no guests/services (who could be unauthorized) coming through, etc, is secured. In your house and locked in a safe with kids is secured. In your car and secured by locks is secured. Etc... Under your bed with the non citizen maid coming through with your permission/hire, that's unsecured if maid commits crime after finding it. Etc...

Why would I not trade basic measures of accountability if I believe in "responsible" gun ownership? Don't we claim that's what we are all the time? If you are a "responsible" gun owner, you should have satisfied them all already, minus MAYBE the formal training if you've grown up with firearms and good mentorship. But heck, that's a couple hundred dollars and 8hrs, a drop in the bucket relative to what we spend on firearms and shooting.

[sqlbullet]

1.  Fine.  Basically a training add-on to my current state issued permit.

2.  Fine, with a caveat.  The system must use hashing to blind the government to who owns what.  Universal BGC in it's current form is really national gun registry.  There is a way to do it without that, but the current system, that is what they want.  Also, no third party requirement, eg I can do it myself, I don't have to pay a local FFL a hostage fee.

3.  Nope.  I will never support turning a citizen into a criminal because someone stole their stuff.  You wanna convict me of negligence cause I left it on the counter at McDonalds, OK.  But I have it on/in my property and it is taken (theft), then I (the victim) become the perp, nope.

Don't get me wrong.  Responsible gun owners should lock up their guns except when in use.  Mine are.  All of mine but two are current in a liberty safe (RSC), one is in my wife's bedside safe and one is on my hip.  But if they are in my house or car, they are secured.

[larryh1108]

The GOP took the Senate in 2014 to stop Obama. What happened? They gave Obama everything in exchange for oil exports for the rich.

But hey. The GOP has your back,,,,,,,no wonder Trump leads with uneducated voters.

Wow wolfie, I still wonder what country you live in. The stuff you put out there is so far off the wall that I think you live in a different country.
How many times has the GOP stonewalled Obama on his assault weapon bans? If I recall correctly, they won't even consider Obama's suggestion for the SC. I vividly remember Obama telling congress how ashamed he was of them after Obama tried to capitalize on the Newtown tragedy. Congress has continually been a thorn in Obama's side and you are still using the old oil for favors line when oil prices are at lows we haven't seen for a lot of years. I can't believe you believe the stuff you write because you seem to be an intelligent guy. Your points are baseless and are of the same misinformation that the media and anti gun people use every day. Half-truths and omissions.

Also, I believe the uneducated voters favor the dems because that's who gives them their monthly income and food. It may not show up in the polls that way because they can't read the paper polls (uneducated, your words) and they don't have phones other than the ones the govt game them with limited minutes. So, to invalidate another one of your statements, I seriously doubt any rep leads with the uneducated voters.

[Wolfie]

I agree with sq & colt 1911.

Larry I live in the USA and I served in its Army honorably.

As for the low info voter, Trump is winning them by a landslide, in fact he says he loves the un edumacated.

Too all, politicians always give people freebees. Democrats have been doing it forever. Starting with the Irish, Germans, Jews, Eastern European and Jews.

Republicans too, the last GOP potus who I voted for. Gave Prescription Drugs and Medicare Plus to seniors so he could lock in Florida in 2004.

Anyone that wants to debate politics with me will lose. I destroy low information voters on both sides very easily.

[blaster]

 

[larryh1108]

Lol, wolfie.
If you ever want to change jobs you should consider becoming a comedian.
The stuff you write borders on hysterical.

I destroy low information voters on both sides very easily.

I agree 100%.
This also means that an educated, informed voter isn't swayed by your half-truths, lies, omissions and bias.
At least you are smart enough to admit it.

[Geeman]

As for the low info voter, Trump is winning them by a landslide, in fact he says he loves the un edumacated.

Anyone that wants to debate politics with me will lose. I destroy low information voters on both sides very easily.

It's interesting you equate "low info" with what I assume you wanted to say "uneducated".  I don't believe these are even similar. 

Educated, in my opinion equates to indoctrinated in large measure.  That comes from a man that has a physics degree. 

"Low Info" means the same thing as "I don't give a s#!+" and they vote for free stuff.  Who do you believe those that don't know how many senators we have vote for?

Wolfie, I believe your pension determines your vote.  You vote for stuff too.  Pro-union plays a role too.  Of course, the rest of us are idiots and have it all wrong.

Tired of the whole thing.  I don't like the "core" of any of the choices.  I don't like who they are as people.  I feel that either would walk all over granny if it bettered their position.  Greed, corrupt, cheats.

Greg

[BEEMER!]

A good friend of mine considers himself to be a "Man's Man" and a "Thinker".  He does not vote for a party, he votes "For the Man".

Funny but it is always "The Man" his union tells him to vote for.