Smallest 10mm for carry.

Started by 48conkli, April 26 2016 06:23:42 PM MDT

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48conkli

I wish  glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29

pacapcop

EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.

drnls

1911, commander frame, officer frame.  Found a Briley in .40, had Briley fit a 10mm barrel.  Great ccw piece.  Unfortunately, for some stupid reason I sold it. 

Sonny10MM

RIA has a Commander size 10MM now. It has a steel frame so it's not as light as your Glock 29, but it's thinner. I'm in no way connected to this seller, but here's a listing for the RIA:http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=555237457

DM1906

Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.

I have no experience with the EAA Compact, but "unreliable" does not equal "great". Especially for a defensive weapon. If it doesn't run (100%), it doesn't pack. No exceptions.

I see a LOT of posts (too many), here and elsewhere, with folks complaining about issues with their "carry" weapons, having to "fix" them to run right, or near right. Those of us who carry do so for a very specific purpose, which we hope to never exercise. However, when/if that ever does happen, it MUST work, first time, every time. If your pistol doesn't like certain ammo (usually not mainstream stuff), or has an "occasional hiccup", either stay away from that ammo, or choose another weapon (or caliber) for your EDC. The list you should be making, or looking at, is the list of PROVEN platforms. Your life, or perhaps mine, may depend on it. As an old-timer once told me, "If you're so concerned about what's in the wagon you forget to feed the mule, you're doing it wrong." Failure is not an option.
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sqlbullet

I think he is saying it is a great size for carry, but unreliable for defense. 

And it weighs a good bit more than a Glock 29.  I have generally found weight to be the real deal killer.

DM1906

Quote from: sqlbullet on April 27 2016 09:59:38 AM MDT
I think he is saying it is a great size for carry, but unreliable for defense. 

And it weighs a good bit more than a Glock 29.  I have generally found weight to be the real deal killer.

I agree, weight is a deal killer. A G20 with 15 rounds of 180 gr. ammo is heavier than many/most ideal carry weapons, and it isn't small. I'm a big fan of heavy bullets, but they get heavier in bulk. Where and how you carry is also a serious factor. I often ankle-holster a G33. The difference between ten 90 gr. bullets vs. ten 115 gr. bullets is less than an ounce total, but I can feel the difference. Belt, IWB, or shoulder is less of an issue, of course. If size and/or weight is a serious concern with conceal carry, let's be real. 10mm, and .45ACP in many cases, is not a realistic option (.45GAP has potential). There are many suitable platforms that offer as much or more collective power (bullet energy plus capacity). I choose the subcompact Glock .357 Sig for that reason. A 90 gr. XTP @ 1700 FPS (tested in my carry weapon, 3.46" barrel) is no slouch, even compared to 10mm defense ammo. The actual bullet energy exceeds many (if not most) off-the-shelf 10mm defense ammo, especially if barrel lengths are considered.

However, in regards to my previous reply, weight and size is absolutely irrelevant if the pistol is "unreliable", for any reason. The OP's question was about "carry". A reliable Desert Eagle in my skivvies is an option, while an unreliable LCP in my pocket is not. (That is an extreme comparison. A Desert Eagle in my skivvies is not a realistic option.) Packing an unreliable (for any reason) pistol is irresponsible.
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cwlongshot

Ahh but it's numbers...  Like a golf drive or big HP numbers....  It only gets ya so far. 😜😜😜

I went G29 cause of what everyone said and has discovered. But I also switch to the 10MM lil brother the 40 for summer carry.

Few years back the G23 was IT, FOR EDC. BEFORE THAT the Commander LWT 45 was IT. times, opinions and feelings change. For us the state finally recognized the CP here isn't a CCP. OPEN carry has always been legal, but CONCEALED was vieamently inforced. Now printing or barrels peeking are not a worry. It's no longer a "brandishing" ticket.

SO the bigger 29 was bought. For me, a few customers, moved me to the Shield40. Wonderful lil gun and easily concealable in a t shirt!!

I looked at the 357 sig, it's numbers are exciting, but drop fast as heavier bunkers are chosen. It's a small cap case. Better than the nine! Not equal to the 357 or 40 and surely not the 10. The handicap for both the sig and 10 are same... Bullets. The 10 out performs most of its buckets cause the "skirts" can't take the recoil and favor the 40. So bucket makers make .40 cal bullets to preform at the lower 40 S&W velocity range. SO heavier slugs are chosen to reap benefits of the caliber.

The other thing that is never measured is bullet diameter. We all should know a same weight bullet, constructed adequately but of different diameters will penetrate better when smaller. But handguns general lack the motivation to be penetrators. So buckets are thin jacketed to expand. Velocity range is a real concern in handgun bullets. Fast moving light bullets flatten and don't penetrate.

I would be very concerned with that 90g @ 1700 for defense!!!  There is NOT A 90 g I know of built to preform at that velocity.

I don't know why the 40 holds such disdain for folks. We are all 10 fans, you can't hold anything against a inanimate oddest like a caliber for what it " did" to the 10MM! "It" don't know anything! "It" has respectable numbers and diameter all fitting in a smaller package. It's popular enough to have made it into nearly every gun it could be. That's a good thing for all.

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BrowningGuy88

The smallest 10mm for carry is the Shield 40... Once you get smaller than the 29sf, to me the 10 has to much recoil with real 10mm ammo.


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Geeman

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Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.

I wish they could make the gun run.  It feels so good!!!! 

It has to be the magazine, and no one else makes one.  The big frame eat absolutely everything without an issue.  The compacts just torture you.  Right when you think you are getting somewhere (three mag fulls without FTF) it will screw up three rounds on the 4th.

Best with light springs and light ammo.  I don't carry it where humans (or dangerous critters) are a possibility. 

My problem is I don't like the idea of Glocks IWB (no safe, no double action trigger pull) so I don't carry 10mm.  Get someone to make a mag for the Tanfolio compact and that would change.

I do often carry a G20 outside the belt when hunting in wolf country.  I'll be damned if I'll loose a dog or chance an aggressive pack without at least making a fight out of it.

Greg

DenStinett

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Quote from: Geeman on April 27 2016 05:50:45 PM MDT
Quote from: pacapcop on April 26 2016 07:07:39 PM MDT
EAA's compact would be great, unreliable.

I wish they could make the gun run.  It feels so good!!!! 

It has to be the magazine, and no one else makes one.  The big frame eat absolutely everything without an issue.  The compacts just torture you.  Right when you think you are getting somewhere (three mag fulls without FTF) it will screw up three rounds on the 4th.

Get someone to make a mag for the Tanfolio compact and that would change.

Greg

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Blades

Quote from: 48conkli on April 26 2016 06:23:42 PM MDT
I wish  glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29

What holster are you using for carry? Just wondering.

--Jason--

01deuce

#12
I quit looking at smaller guns for carry. I found with the right belt and holster I can conceal and be comfortable with just about any full size gun. Even the Witness stock III does very well for me.

Edit. If I were looking for the thinnest and most reliable it would be Dan Wesson commander size c- Bob or v-Bob.

48conkli

Quote from: Blades on April 28 2016 09:45:18 AM MDT
Quote from: 48conkli on April 26 2016 06:23:42 PM MDT
I wish  glock would make a glock 36 sized gun but in 10mm, but what is the thinnest concealed carry option in 10 mm. I own a glock 29, but it is thick, is the eaa polymer compact thinnest or what are the 1911 options like compared to glock 29

What holster are you using for carry? Just wondering.

I only have a kydex OTW for the 29, any recommendation? I currently carry a lcr 357 but would like to carry a 10mm sometimes.

The_Shadow

I carry with a JS IWB made from a single piece kydex but has two retention screws for adjustment.  I carry the G29 or G30 with this holster, securely.  Even bathroom breaks it hangs on to the belt and could be accessed if needed, that way you don't accidently leave it in a stall.  It is easy to slide inside the pants and the molded belt clip slides over the belt where you can tuck the clip under the belt... :D

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