Ammo MFG's you consider unsafely loading 10mm offerings

[Intercooler]

   The only one in question really is the Delta. I think he is biting his tongue now to keep the Delta specific offering he puts out. All his ammo can be ran in a stock Glock with no issues.

   DoubleTap and Buffalo Bore are slightly less available option. I think Kevin wants to keep his ammo at the top since the majority want that. It's what built DoubleTap and also took them down a notch when they went backwards downloading the loads.


PBR Ammo will also be an affordable option in that range if you don't like the other two.

[4949shooter]

PBR sounds like a good power level for practice ammo.

Though I like the 200 grain load @ 1200 for carry if they were to offer it in an XTP.

[Intercooler]

Line 64 here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5OC6bPsjO8dEh6eGZ3N3hpUU13SXM5cm9pZy16T0E#gid=0

I have it listed as a Gold Dot so that must of been what he dropped off the site. I only tested the 165's so far. When he lets me know he has stock I am ordering the remaining untested rounds and doing them. The $21.30/box of 50 FMJ rounds will be the best deal out there in full-power. HPR/Scottsdale was at one point $21.99/box but that has long been gone. Armscor dropped off and I tested one box but need to get one more and change the numbers because it is BVAC level. Someone wanting value 10mm now is limited to Thunderbird, BVAC, 3Gun (also known as Freedom Munitions).

[Intercooler]

Anthony posted this today:

Parabellum Research Jesse,

Starline swears they are boxing it right now, Hal called them today. We'll
have that 200gr loading available in the new "V-Supreme" line, nicknamed
Adkins Ammo around here.

Regards,

Anthony Mowry
Parabellum Research, LLC
P.O. Box 163
Buda, Texas 78610
(512) 666-7279

[pacapcop]

I think Armscor is getting over 1200 in some cases.Last vid Dave Sneed was getting some 1200+ out of a stock Glock 20.

[Intercooler]

Do you have a link to the video? Last one I saw of the Armscor it was lower in the 1100's.


It's possible some of the old load is still floating around out there. I know the second box I checked was low. I would rather spend $21.30 on the PBR knowing it's there than $25.00 on the Armscor not knowing what is there. Plus with the PBR you are getting Starline brass.

[pacapcop]

10mm ammo test chronograph#16 out of a G20 Stock.#'s will obviously be higher with the Match.I been shooting it lately,it's packin a decent punch.My last order was from TargetSportsUSA about 2 months ago.You will get 1200+ easy from Match,G20 still notices power.

[Intercooler]

This one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlONYodFh2c&feature=plcp

Yea I just watched it and the average was 1149 FPS with a low of 1109. It's back to BVAC!

Also his stock Glock was giving spreads of 50-100+ FPS depending on what was being shot.

[Intercooler]

His a link to the third test I did where it was weaker my second box. Third box was weak too and results are in here with reference to David's results of it being weak.

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/armscor-x3/

[Panzer]

I voted for Doubletap and Grizzly as stuff I would not shoot. That being said I have been thrilled with the Underwood ammo and for plinking, I use Armscor and no problems except a little dirty.

PBR is a fine deal and if I were in the position to buy at the moment, I would most likely get some.

[cwsanfor]

I see Shadow and Intercooler from other 10mm hangouts. Wonder where Taos is?

Although I agree that his 200gr XTP is pretty hot, and I sure would like to know how he meters 800X precisely, I'll shoot anything Kevin Underwood loads. I think I have about every round he makes in 10mm, using them as models for what to not load beyond. He is a credit to the reloading community.

Someone was asking about pressures and loads, so that's my cue to trot out my 10mm spreadsheet. I haven't added to it lately, but you may find some useful info at https://docs.google.com/a/sanfordconsulting.biz/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApfazXeV8cnBdGdKYl8xZFRlakdUOUptaXRWMlFUQ3c#gid=7. All disclaimers apply, do not assume these loads are safe, work up in your own gun, guns are dangerous, etc.

[Intercooler]

     I don't know how 800-X gets measured accurately. One thing I do know is if someone wants to make it meter accurately they will modify the equipment to do so. It happens in industry all the time that something with a given purpose gets modified for something else or application. I think their has to be a Top Dog and them not change their core and let people choose to buy and use it or not.
     I wouldn't even attempt writing Garrett Cartridge a note to back their .44 Magnum loads down to a level I could shoot from a lesser platform. Their business is built on big heavy bullets going faster than anything else out there. It's about identity I guess