Best 1st/ entry level 10mm ..

Dave84 · March 30 2016 02:29:52 PM MDT

I really wouldn't try and steer you away from a base witness. I also have one and it functions very well and is quite accurate. I would however recommend a Glock 29. Quite compact and fully reliable, plus its corrosion proof. Something the others aren't. Not even slight resistant. Plus you mentioned width. While it is as wide as a Glock 20 it still has reduced dimensions in the right places. It is my only 10mm that I actually carry. Think of it like a thick version of your Sr9c.

sqlbullet · March 31 2016 01:36:50 AM MDT

I have a full size standard Witness. It runs very well and handles everything. My Elite Match was only $150 more and is way more fun to shoot at the range. But, I would never consider the Match for a carry gun.

The standard full size was my EDC for about 2-3 years. It was a solid gun. But, it was very heavy compared to a Glock 20. And an absolute albatross compared to a Glock 29.

For a full size duty gun, I can't say anything bad about the full-size witness.

Hooverfb · April 01 2016 01:04:40 PM MDT

Well ended up getting the RIA fullsize 1911 for about 600. Was comparing dimensions, and its actually an in shorter in oal than my revolver, whil gaining an inch in barrel length, and same width roughly. I think it fits the role of being moderately good in a lot of things but not ace at any. Plus the longer stock barrel will be nice for hunting. Thanks for all the replies guys, will post a pic once its in my hands.

Dave84 · April 01 2016 03:15:04 PM MDT

Let us know how she does at the range later.

Hooverfb · August 07 2016 11:53:22 AM MDT

Finnnaalllyy got out to the range ( had a lot going on). Took a while to dial it in, but was able to put some nice groups together with it.
Found i was having issues with the mag they sent, seemed the bullet was stuck when trying to feed and wouldnt quite come out. then around the 40 rounds mark, started having the magazine fall out while shooting, or wouldnt quite catch in very stiff.

Disclaimer on the above is that i didnt clean it first. A little disheartened , but seems mostly to be magazine issues, andnothing ria's policy wont cover. Overall as my first 10 i loved it. Pretty smooth shooter for all the stuff i heard about 10mm, was using sig fmj 180 grains running around 1250 fps.

Bruno747 · August 08 2016 06:26:33 PM MDT

Quote from: Hooverfb on August 07 2016 11:53:22 AM MDT
Finnnaalllyy got out to the range ( had a lot going on). Took a while to dial it in, but was able to put some nice groups together with it.
Found i was having issues with the mag they sent, seemed the bullet was stuck when trying to feed and wouldnt quite come out. then around the 40 rounds mark, started having the magazine fall out while shooting, or wouldnt quite catch in very stiff.

Disclaimer on the above is that i didnt clean it first. A little disheartened , but seems mostly to be magazine issues, andnothing ria's policy wont cover. Overall as my first 10 i loved it. Pretty smooth shooter for all the stuff i heard about 10mm, was using sig fmj 180 grains running around 1250 fps.

Do some poking around on the forums, I dare say a fair number of RIA's have trouble straight from the factory. With a small cost in parts and a few minutes, you can have it running like a top.

To start with, for the mag issues. I highly reccomend some wolf replacement heavier springs. Nearly all of my mag troubles were related to not being able to get the round up and seated in the small window during the time in which the slide is back.

dakota1911 · August 09 2016 09:22:14 AM MDT

Amazed a new RIA ran that well if you didn't clean and lube it. The ones (in 45) I have bought new had a heavy packing grease/wax on them. Vote for new mag or springs in the one you have, but maybe just taking it apart and cleaning the shipping gunk out of it will make it work better.

Hooverfb · August 09 2016 01:52:42 PM MDT

Yeah the oil/cosmoline was a bit heavy (nothing like a mosin nagant packed in it) so I think that may account for my issues first time out. The bullets were getting stuck in a way such that i couldn't easily push them in or out, and so weren't feeding correctly. Fealt like it could be some of the wax gunk building up and/or dripping in and causing problems. Guess its an excuse to take it to the range again and find out ${$default_smiley_smiley}$ . If it still occurs I'll call ria first, then possibly look into new mags/mag springs. What's the consensus on good mags for these? I've heard mixed reviews on the wilson combat 9 rounders, but it'd be nice to get an extra bullet.

t4terrific · August 13 2016 03:18:30 PM MDT

For reliability, lighter recoil, accuracy, and price, get a Gen 4 Glock 20.

Glock20SF · August 14 2016 04:52:54 AM MDT

I have a brand new Glock 20SF that fails a check of the recoil spring assembly. I didn't care as I have no intent to shoot it with a factory recoil spring assembly but just thought I'd mention it. If you are getting a Glock check that out. The procedure to check one is (with an unloaded gun magazine out) pull the trigger and hold it back, hold the gun strait up, retract the slide fully, ride the slide forward as in release it very slowly. If the recoil spring assembly is good the gun should still full close. This is how they teach you to check it in the armorer's class.