Retired PA State Trooper robs toll booth

Started by Intercooler, March 21 2016 04:04:29 AM MDT

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4949shooter

Normally upon retirement you can be paid for the excess sick time, vacation time, comp time, etc that you didn't use, which is probably what that lump sum is from.

Though, $112,000 seems like an awful lot. My agency caps it to two years of vacation, comp bank, and we don't get paid for sick time.

Intercooler

And that was gone in two years as well. Plenty of money to dig out IMO.

4949shooter

No doubt the guy and his wife had issues.

I was just explaining where the payout may have come from.

Intercooler

Yea. I don't know why he went down this road. Pay what you can and truck on! I found it interesting he was wearing a vest and took it in the leg. That's what's always funny when people say they shold have shot someone in the leg.

4949shooter

I noticed the leg shot. I wonder of one of the troopers saw armor and decided to shoot low.

Intercooler

It had to be. I'm glad they got him without another loss of life. Ironically it may have been a former co-worker that killed him.

DM1906

Quote from: 4949shooter on March 27 2016 06:48:40 PM MDT
I noticed the leg shot. I wonder of one of the troopers saw armor and decided to shoot low.

That's the story I would stick with (sounds a lot more PC than a head shot). It was probably a miss, though. "Body armor drills" NEVER include a leg shot. Leg shots are not part of any professional training that I'm aware of. In reality, if body armor is a factor, a shot (or a few) to center mass is much more likely to be effective than a leg shot. A hit to a leg may not even be felt. Hit someone in the chest with a sledge hammer, and they will reevaluate their situation.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke

tommac919

I'd call it a miss ( leg hit )... body armor drills were always 2 center and 2 to head.

Either way, he went down that road and paid the price, sad part was he took someone with him.

Intercooler

None of it makes any sense. He picked the wrong location to get away with it and probably knew he had a slim chance in hell. I don't see the issue in digging out from the debt they had over a period of time.

4949shooter

Quote from: DM1906 on March 28 2016 02:14:30 PM MDT
Quote from: 4949shooter on March 27 2016 06:48:40 PM MDT
I noticed the leg shot. I wonder of one of the troopers saw armor and decided to shoot low.

That's the story I would stick with (sounds a lot more PC than a head shot). It was probably a miss, though. "Body armor drills" NEVER include a leg shot. Leg shots are not part of any professional training that I'm aware of. In reality, if body armor is a factor, a shot (or a few) to center mass is much more likely to be effective than a leg shot. A hit to a leg may not even be felt. Hit someone in the chest with a sledge hammer, and they will reevaluate their situation.

Good point. A lot of guys do tend to shoot low in shootings, in my experience.

4949shooter

Quote from: Intercooler on March 28 2016 03:43:23 PM MDT
None of it makes any sense. He picked the wrong location to get away with it and probably knew he had a slim chance in hell. I don't see the issue in digging out from the debt they had over a period of time.

I think he just lost his mind. :-\

Intercooler

I really hoped for the juicy details of what they spent all that money on. They listed what ammo he had and it was meager. If they ever investigated me they would find enough to think I was outfitting an Army!  8)

4949shooter

Quote from: Intercooler on March 28 2016 03:52:40 PM MDT
I really hoped for the juicy details of what they spent all that money on. They listed what ammo he had and it was meager. If they ever investigated me they would find enough to think I was outfitting an Army!  8)

Haha me too!  :P

pacapcop

Body armor drills are head and groin . At least how were trained.  Groin close to femur.

DM1906

Quote from: pacapcop on March 28 2016 06:37:08 PM MDT
Body armor drills are head and groin . At least how were trained.  Groin close to femur.

I stand corrected, then. Never heard of that, after decades of receiving and instructing PPC and the like. Perhaps unique to your local department. The "groin" (pelvic) hit, in my experience, is a "foundation" hit, and taught independent of body armor drills. Meaning, if the objective is to stop the motion of a target, removing the foundation does this well. A simple "femur" shot is rarely effective for either objective, even if the femoral artery is hit. Few handgun cartridge power levels (and none commonly carried by LEO's) have the ability to actually break an adult femur. However, to stop an armed target, COM or head is the only effective method (when it's effective). Body armor drills are: 2-COM, 1-head, in that order. Tap-Tap--Tap. No other method is taught, professionally, that I'm aware of.
Life's tough. It's tougher if you're stupid. -- The Duke