"Israel must be wiped out...." - from FOX news

[Wolfie]

Do what Pablo?

[Rich10]

I think Democrats are pro gun control. I have not seen one Democrat that has ever said they are for confiscation.

I have.

[Geeman]

Geeman, liberals since 1776 have been winning everything in America. What have conservatives won? Put them in power so they can agree to liberal ideas?

Since 1776, those involved in government, the legal system, and the banking institutions have been grabbing more and more power.  Its as simple as that.  They can never gain enough power, they always need more.  The result is effective slavery for those that do not know better.  Foremost among those slaves are the people that replace God with government as a source of safety and security. 

Safety and security are not real.  They are an illusion.  They can be taken without warning by anyone with ill intent and enough power to carry it out.  Until that is understood, this nanny state will continue to become worse.  As the nanny state grows, it becomes more and more probable that the safety and security will be taken by the exact government that promised to secure it.

I believe this because it repeats itself over and over in history.  Governments have killed more people than wars. 

Keep on wishing for more and more government, and keep on worshiping them.  I'll keep on wishing for smaller and smaller government, place my faith in my fellow man, and place God in the place as my maker and master.  I'll try my best to not harm my fellow man and not get false gods between my maker and I.

All that new age BS is written by Satanists, not because they believe it, but because they want you to believe it.  It make you easier to control.

Greg

[Wolfie]

I agree G, but it's a different argument.

[sstewart]

What really bothers me about this thread:
- That we can not disagree without dis-respecting other member's views
Americans should be truly tolerant of other dissenting points of view. Whether I agree with or disagree, I should treat my fellow forum members (all people) with the respect.
Christians would say the respect God created them with. Others would say the respect that they deserve. Either way respect the person, even if you dislike their views.
- The venom expressed
I guess that is what politics & religion tends to bring out. The golden rule of treating people like you would like to be treated applies here.
- Demeaning the other person's intelligence
I have seen all of you guys' posts. I know ALL of you are highly intelligent people. Remember that while we don't all know everything, we all are intelligent and capable of understanding without being "talked down" to.

I hope this is received with grace. I am not trying to take anyone to the wood shed. Lets all take a deep breath and ponder what and how we say it. I am just as guilty in being condescending at times. Maybe I am talking to myself also.

[sqlbullet]

I see what you are saying sstewart.

But I also see something else at the same time.  The thread keeps going, and people keep exploring their own and others ideas.  Some of the most important revelations about myself have come when I made a strong stand and had it abruptly disassembled by someone else.  When that happens to you, one of two things happen, sometime both happen.

1.  You dislike being shown you were wrong, and resort to basic defense tactics, like personal attacks.

2.  You look inwardly and realize that your opinion, facts, perceptions and life experiences may not have taught you the truth you thought they did, and you adjust into a better person.

If the beginning of wisdom is "why", then the end of hypocrisy is "I may be wrong".

This thread is bothersome because there is a good bit of tension, as well as some racism and bigotry.  But at the end of it all, I think that most of these guys could still see themselves at the range together enjoying an afternoon of shooting, followed by steak and beer in someones back yard.