NRA refuses to debate Obama

[Wolfie]

The NRA had a chance to show him up and refused.

[sqlbullet]

In fairness to the NRA, they declined to participate in a media event of a pre-determined outcome.

[Wolfie]

I dont blame them for not attending. But they had a shot and they did not take it. Make no doubt Obama and the Democrats will be using this for the General. 90% of Americans support background checks and 62% support Obama's executive action.

While the Rs are out there duking it out, the Ds are laying predicates.

[sqlbullet]

This is the huge challenge.  If you let your opponent dictate the rules of the fight, you will lose.  If you don't fight you lose.

I am open to how they should respond.  Get their own air-time on Fox?

[sqlbullet]

Also, do you have a source for that 90% stat?

Cause the CNN poll I just looked at had 75% thinking that tightening the requirements is "too tough".

[Wolfie]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/211321-poll-most-gun-owners-support-universal-background-checks 92% for background checks

67% for Obamas executive action.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/index.html

We are going to get nothing in return. The NRA could have debated him and said lets negotiate this for that, they did nothing.

[sqlbullet]

Cnn polls are worthless.  52% years of Americans disagree with the president on his handling the gun issue, also a cnn poll.

Keep congress aware of how we feel and take the fight up.  We will keep moving the banner forward.

[Rojo27]

The NRA had a chance to show him up and refused.

Attend CNN "townhall" to engauge Barry in front of their handpicked, invitation only audience and moderator....BRILLIANT IDEA!!!!

If those couple isolated polls you enjoy quoting so much where
anything but more b.s. propaganda, Barry and his cronies at CNN woulda staged the event in Vegas
next week during Shot Show.

This was another impotent attempt to distract from his failed policies and presidency.
15 most recent "mass killers" (as stated by left leaning NY Daily News) in America ALL passed background checks for their guns.
Take Barry's hometown of Chicago; as stringent gun laws as can be found
anywhere in US...  11 murders so far in 2016; 487 murders in 2015...  Dead last in
federal weapons charges (out of 90 US judicial districts) - 52 prosecutions (2012) out of 5.2 million
population and 522 murders (2012).
How many of them did Barry mention on Tuesday when Mr. Spock cried for us all to show his human side?
Theatre of the absurd..



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[jal1]

just on news this morning they were only allowed 1 question that was determined by cnn

[BEEMER!]

just on news this morning they were only allowed 1 question that was determined by cnn

Chris Cox was on Fox last night and this is true.

The NRA was given the chance at one pre-screened question.

[Rojo27]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/211321-poll-most-gun-owners-support-universal-background-checks 92% for background checks

67% for Obamas executive action.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/poll-obama-gun-action/index.html

We are going to get nothing in return. The NRA could have debated him and said lets negotiate this for that, they did nothing.

Poll sited (even one published buy completely biased CNN) says lot more than single question reference above:  http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/obama-guns-executive-action-poll-results/index.html
Should Barry circumvent Congress: 54% oppose
Will Barry's changes be effective:  57% not effective

[redbaron007]

My memory is a little foggy, but if I recall correctly, the invite to the NRA for a White House visit was not an invite for discussion, but an invite for a press conference King O was having about gun violence.

I love the polls saying 92% of Americans support background checks.....as with many of the polls, the devil is in the details of who was contacted and where they were contacted, they don't divulge these details. A national poll just means they didn't contact people in NY, Boston, Chicago, LA. We don't know the break down of this poll they quote except to say it was registered voters nationally.

My guess is 95% of Americans don't know they do background checks now. I know several conservative and liberal folks who have purchased a firearm (pistol & long gun) who didn't know they were doing a background check at the time......they thought they were 'registering' their gun. 

I watched the first hour of the King Obama infomercial.....couldn't stand much more than that.

It was humorous how he told the sniper's wife he wasn't making it harder for her to obtain a gun, then turned around and told the lady who's daughter was killed that he was making it harder to purchase guns.

It seemed painful for him to try and not say he was wanting more restrictions on firearms. He never really answered any questions directly, he gave his story, which was a canned answer, never directly answering a direct question. When the priest wanted to know why we couldn't license/title guns like cars, it seemed all he could do to restrain himself from saying "I agree and it should be done".

This was staged by the Clinton News Network; they tried to appear unbiased, including Anderson Cooper, but the answers provided by the King reflect otherwise. However, when the lady who was raped stood up with her question, that was the only time I saw the president seem off his stride. I got the impression he chastised her for wanting a gun to defend herself because more than likely, she would have been killed by it since she didn't have the "extensive training".   

We must bow at the thrown of Oh King O!   

[Wolfie]

I do not think he should circumvent congress either. But most people are for background checks and reporting lost or stolen guns. I understand why some here do not want the background checks, but not reporting a lost or stolen gun?

Who would be against that?

If your gun was lost or stolen and not reported. And a perp killed someone with your gun and its recovered on the scene, guess who gets a visit.

[redbaron007]

As for the background checks; individual sales, as well as collectors, shouldn't have to perform back ground checks to sell a personal firearm. People like to compare firearms to cars nowadays, we don't see if they have drivers license to sell the car to them. It's a red-hearing.

Why should I have to report something lost/stolen if it isn't registered? Just because you get a visit does't mean you're guilty of anything.

Too many people want to give up personal freedoms for emotional regulation(s).

[sqlbullet]

I do not think he should circumvent congress either. But most people are for background checks and reporting lost or stolen guns. I understand why some here do not want the background checks, but not reporting a lost or stolen gun?

Who would be against that?

If your gun was lost or stolen and not reported. And a perp killed someone with your gun and its recovered on the scene, guess who gets a visit.

I would be.

1.  I have a lot of items in my safe that are legally "guns".  It would not be unthinkable for one of the 12 AR lowers I have that aren't yet built up to disappear and me not notice.  And I may not build some of them for years to come.  Should I be a criminal because I don't do inventory and one of my six kids friends had sticky fingers?

2.  It is not in harmony with freedom to burden subjects of the government with this kind of requirement.  In a truly free country I do not commit a crime until I abrogate the rights, freedoms or privileges of another.  Me failing to report a stolen weapon does not intrude on the rights of another.

3.  The law would ultimately be struct down on fifth amendment grounds.  If I had come into criminal possession of a prohibited gun, that was then stolen, a requirement to report would require me to incriminate myself.  Similar cases on gun issues have already been ruled in this way.

I am certain I could go on, but I will stop as I think the point is sufficiently made.