Buffalo Bore Again...

[4949shooter]

It's all good brother. We aren't bashing Colt, just being honest in our assessment of its capabilities as pertaining to 10mm.

As stated above, all my 1911's are Colts, and my first choice in a 10mm 1911 would have been a Delta Elite. Unfortunately though, due to the design I can't shoot full power 10mm with confidence in it.

[Intercooler]

 This isn't a bash. They seriously should have put something in the manual about what could be shot out of it. I don't know if Glock does, but Tanfoglio say no +P... we still do it and can only point the finger at ourselves should something happen.

[sqlbullet]

Tanfoglio ships the same manual with all there guns.  +P means something to 9mm and 45 ACP, but it has no meaning in relation to 10mm.  There is no 10mm +P in SAAMI spec.

Either a gun will fire 10mm spec ammo safely or it won't. Either ammo complies with the 10mm SAAMI profile or it doesn't.

The real issue we start to have is transparency in what ammo is.  Underwood says there ammo is SAAMI spec verified by independent lab.  Great, publish the lab results as a PDF on the website.  Same for Buffalo Bore.

Same for handguns.  Develop proof loads, have them lab tested and publish the results, and then publish results of standardized proof testing.

Of course, the market doesn't support companies that follow these kind of quality standards.  Are there any gun or ammo makers that are ISO 9001 certified?

[Intercooler]

  I hate to say it, but shouldn't the owner's do some research and testing with their firearm/ammo? If I bought that Grand Power I wouldn't go right to Buffalo Bore. That's even with one of their sales guy saying any SAAMI spec 10mm can be fired in it. I have seen the barrel and would go from .40-lite on up as I observe.

[sqlbullet]

  I hate to say it, but shouldn't the owner's do some research and testing with their firearm/ammo? If I bought that Grand Power I wouldn't go right to Buffalo Bore. That's even with one of their sales guy saying any SAMI spec 10mm can be fired in it. I have seen the barrel and would go from .40-lite on up as I observe.

I have thought about posting a similar comment.  It is pretty easy to google Delta Elite ammo concerns and find pages of links that indicate Buffalo Bore may not be the best choice.

People find evidence to support what they want to think.  So this doesn't work for most people because they wont' follow a methodology that eliminates their bias from the results.

[Wolfie]

I fire a few BB 180's out of my Delta at the end of my practice. The worst that has happened is that the primer pops out.

[colt1911fan]

There is no +P standard and nothing on the box indicates it is a risk in any firearms. Considering this is an off the shelf product that can be found by any shooter, it should be more clearly labeled. But, nothing governs consumer safety when it comes to ammunition besides litigation. I don't think one should require hand loading experience or knowledge when buying a retail product like this. Neither should a web search around ammunition blowing up be required.

My Delta Elite does NOT bulge other ammunition that I've fed it. I would check websites for any non-mainstream brands I may come across and buy before loading it in my firearm. Buffalo Bore does not help the consumer there, though. In fact, they have several misleading statements and content on their site with respect to this product and use in "any" firearm.

[Intercooler]

Possibly it is a bad barrel or firearm? I have had one... Ruger Redhawk that took a few efforts plus dimension checks to finally find it.

No +P rating, but the box says...

"Heavy 10mm" "Strictly Business"

Those are key words to be investigated and the standard fodder isn't marked/marketed in the "Heavy" line.

[sqlbullet]

My Delta Elite does NOT bulge other ammunition that I've fed it.

The only guns I have that don't return the occasional bulge with max 10mm loads are my Witness guns.  Glock does, Para does.  Not bad and not every time, but sometimes.

When they start bulging in my Witnesses I know I am well and truly over the line.

[Dieselman]

Buffalo Bore 220 gr blow the primers when shot from my ramped barrel 1911.  I do not shoot that garbage anymore.

[Intercooler]

Attention!
You must be 18 or older to order ammunition. Ammunition must ship UPS ground. Due to Department of Transportation regulations, we cannot accept returns on Ammunition. Make sure to use the correct ammunition in your gun. Check local laws before ordering.


That's on the site for the 220 HC. Is that printed somewhere on the box?

[my_old_glock]

I just went to Buffalo Bore's website. They have new 10mm offereing.

BUFFALO-BARNES TACTICAL (low recoil & low flash) 10MM
TACTICAL, LEAD FREE Low Recoil & Low Flash 10MM Ammo
155 gr. BARNES TAC-XP (1,350fps/M.E. 627 ft. lbs.)
20 Round Box
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=408

BUFFALO BORE TACTICAL (low recoil & low flash) 10MM
TACTICAL Low Recoil & Low Flash 10MM Ammo
180 gr. FMJ-FN (1,200fps/M.E. 575 ft. lbs.)
20 Round Box
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=407

BUFFALO BORE TACTICAL (low recoil & low flash) 10MM
TACTICAL Low Recoil & Low Flash 10MM Ammo
180 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - J.H.P. (1,200fps/M.E. 575 ft. lbs.)
20 Round Box
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=405

BUFFALO BORE TACTICAL (low recoil & low flash) 10MM
TACTICAL Low Recoil & Low Flash 10MM Ammo
155 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - J.H.P. (1,350fps/M.E. 627 ft. lbs.)
20 Round Box
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=406



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[4949shooter]

Thanks for posting this. Interesting!

[Intercooler]

That would be the "Non-Heavy" line.

[colt1911fan]

Attention!
You must be 18 or older to order ammunition. Ammunition must ship UPS ground. Due to Department of Transportation regulations, we cannot accept returns on Ammunition. Make sure to use the correct ammunition in your gun. Check local laws before ordering.


That's on the site for the 220 HC. Is that printed somewhere on the box?

What is your point? Are you proposing that this is "the" warning to the consumer who is also told that the product is good for all pistols in ordinary working condition and to not call them because their products are safe? That and "strictly" business are the warnings? What steps beyond reading their lax safety declarations and the caliber should one be doing? Read some secret code into "Make sure to use the correct ammunition in your gun" and "strictly business"? I can see doing research around what is the performance and making sure you are getting your money's worth. No one could claim about a spontaneous purchase gone wrong on expectations of performance vs. dollars, but basic consumer safety? I'm not following you at all.