FBI moves to 9 - Boon for 10mm?

[sqlbullet]

Another forum I belong to has a long thread about all the recent hate on the 40 S&W, lots since the FBI announced their decision to go to a 9mm.  One poster there suggested lost of guys bought 40's on the basis of it being the FBI caliber, and now are insecure in their decision.

I think there may be some validity in that.  Many people are unwilling to own a decision without the support of the crowd.  As a result, most of those 40 owners who are now confused about their gun identity are going to dump their Glock 23's in favor of Glock 19's. 

But maybe, just maybe, a few of them might stop and consider that since they are already dealing with the snappy recoil and muzzle blast, they might as well maximize that with a -3 step instead of a -4 (23-3=Glock 20).  Their closet of projectiles in .400 will still serve them well, and heck, they can even get a 40 S&W barrel to burn up any lingering loaded ammo.

On the one hand, I really hate to see the 40 S&W beat up as it is a solid round, and it ensures there are plenty of .400 projectiles out there for use to mess around with.  But I would be thrilled if those users came to their senses and moved on up to the 10mm.

[4949shooter]

Yes...nothing wrong with the .40. All this change to 9mm is the "flavor of the day" just like the .40 was 20 years ago.

The 10mm has a future, but I don't think it will be with law enforcement. Though I DO think it would be the ideal handgun round for the Alaska Troopers.

[my_old_glock]

I think there may be some validity in that.  Many people are unwilling to own a decision without the support of the crowd.

I think that is one of the major problems with Americans in general. They always have to go along with the crowd.

I was never a fan of 40S&W. I do remember everyone buying a 40S&W pistol back in the 1990's because that is what the FBI used. I have always liked 9mm. I hope 9mm doesn't become a pansie-homo fad like Glocks, AR rifles, and Magpul accessories. I have nothing against those 3 things by themselves: I own more than one of each of them. I just don't like the fact that whiny effeminate pansie-homos special-forces swat navy-seal posers also buy that stuff.

A 40S&W makes a bigger hole than a 9mm, but a 45ACP makes an even bigger hole. A 40S&W magazine holds more rounds than a 45ACP magazine, but a 9mm magazine holds more rounds than a 40S&W. I do not go for the "it's the best of both worlds", or it is a compromise between 9mm ad 45ACP.

I was hoping that the FBI and DHS would dump all their 40S&W ammo, so I could buy it for half price and shoot it out of my Glock 20

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[Captain O]

The 10mm has a future, but I don't think it will be with law enforcement. Though I DO think it would be the ideal handgun round for the Alaska Troopers.

They already use the Glock 20 as a Duty Pistol. It has been in use by the Alaska State Troopers for more than 20 years.

[sqlbullet]

They already use the Glock 20 as a Duty Pistol. It has been in use by the Alaska State Troopers for more than 20 years.

Nope, they went to a Glock 22 several years back.

[4949shooter]

Yep Glock 22.

[Captain O]

Yep Glock 22.

That's a dangerous move. I wish them well.

[4949shooter]

Yep Glock 22.

That's a dangerous move. I wish them well.

They have had it for years. I will see if I can get some information form my contacts on the weapon and its performance.

[sqlbullet]

Anyone know what 10mm load they were issuing?  If it was "FBI load" they really didn't change anything but the size of the grip.

[4949shooter]

Interesting video here:

https://www.facebook.com/natgeotvUS/videos/1732941893151/

[spaniel]

The FBI decision has no impact on me.  I still like the 40SW more than the 9.  Caliber wars can go on forever, but in small, compact carry guns, my choice is the 40.

In the winter, I will often carry my 10.  I can dump a 9-round mag onto an 8X11 target as fast as a 9 or 40 and keep all the rounds there, at 7 yards.  That's good enough for me.

If I can control a 10, I can control a 40.  If I can control a 40, what benefit in going to 9 in the same size gun?

[Wolfie]

I love the 10 more than anything.

But I carry a Glock 33, just a sweet gun.

[climb14er]

Years ago, I bought a S&W 4006 when it first came out with the .40S&W. While the pistol was well made, it was heavy for an 11 round capacity weighing if I can remember 38 or so ounces, empty.

The pistol had (for me) a real snappiness to it and I 'felt' the round when shooting. Bottom line... never liked the pistol and the .40 S&W. Went back to my 686 as my primary gun, and this was no lightweight either.

Moved to the 9mm and .45ACP in more compact pistols, namely a Glock 19 after trying a few Sigs, an HK, a Steyr and a Kahr.  Have had the G19 for ten years and could not be more satisfied.

With the 1911, I moved from all steel government models for carry to a Dan Wesson CCO, lighter weight and thin. Perfect combo.

I've always been convinced that the .40S&W in a smaller, compact pistol is NOT the right combo for most shooters.

Now, it's brother, the 10mm, is PERFECT in the Glock 20SF I have. That's one reason I didn't buy the G29, though many folks have no problem with this compact version.

The 9mm's JHP's have come a long way in bullet design. If you want more penetration, get some Underwood or Buffalo Bore boutique FMJ and blast away.

For most folks, the 9mm with some excellent JHP's that seem to feed well in the 9mm design, is a very effective defensive round for 'most' situations.

If you need more, get the 10mm, 357Sig or .45ACP.

Most of all... shot placement!

[JMag1]

Years ago, I bought a S&W 4006 when it first came out with the .40S&W. While the pistol was well made, it was heavy for an 11 round capacity weighing if I can remember 38 or so ounces, empty.

The pistol had (for me) a real snappiness to it and I 'felt' the round when shooting. Bottom line... never liked the pistol and the .40 S&W. Went back to my 686 as my primary gun, and this was no lightweight either.

Moved to the 9mm and .45ACP in more compact pistols, namely a Glock 19 after trying a few Sigs, an HK, a Steyr and a Kahr.  Have had the G19 for ten years and could not be more satisfied.

With the 1911, I moved from all steel government models for carry to a Dan Wesson CCO, lighter weight and thin. Perfect combo.

I've always been convinced that the .40S&W in a smaller, compact pistol is NOT the right combo for most shooters.

Now, it's brother, the 10mm, is PERFECT in the Glock 20SF I have. That's one reason I didn't buy the G29, though many folks have no problem with this compact version.

The 9mm's JHP's have come a long way in bullet design. If you want more penetration, get some Underwood or Buffalo Bore boutique FMJ and blast away.

For most folks, the 9mm with some excellent JHP's that seem to feed well in the 9mm design, is a very effective defensive round for 'most' situations.

If you need more, get the 10mm, 357Sig or .45ACP.

Most of all... shot placement!

Similar experience, and couldn't agree more.

[dakota1911]

I spent a lot of time looking this up years ago and I think agents that were issued 10mm could keep them.  Agents that did not like 40S&W could get a 9mm as long as they qualified with it.  I would guess that if the FBI goes with 9mm then agents that want to keep their 40S&W pistols will till they retire.