Oregon

[Geeman]

Almost without exception, these types that do the mass shootings do not intend to leave the scene alive.  Generally, the last shot they fire is into their own brain.  There is no law that will govern that mindset.  They will carry out that plan.

I understand it was an 8 minute response by police, which is about as quick as any I've heard of.  The only security supplied by the school was armed only with pepper spray.  That would certainly have been of no consequence to the attack, and would have been heroic suicide if he/she would have attempted to stop the shooter.

What is the answer???  Get the shooter to fire his last shot in a much quicker way.  That last shot is the self inflicted gunshot to his brain.  That act happens when he is confronted by another armed man when his plan can be carried no farther.  The best way to accomplish is to allow the public to arm themselves so there is no gun free zones except by happenstance.

The possibility of running into another armed individual might turn the would-be terrorist to make the the first shot his last shot and spare the public from a suicidal rampage.

Greg

[Mr. AR50]

AMEN!

[Mike_Fontenot]

   Yea. I found it earlier today in reading.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/10/01/3708256/ucc-was-not-a-gun-free-zone-because-public-colleges-in-oregon-cant-ban-guns/

If you dig down deep enough in the links contained in the above link, you get to this:

"People who enter business relationships with state universities must agree not to carry guns on campus property. Those include students, employees, contractors, people buying tickets to university events or people renting university property."

"The policy blunts the victory for gun rights advocates a day earlier in the state Senate, which narrowly rejected Senate Bill 1594, a measure to bar people from carrying guns on a school or college campus."

"The state board policy, however, would not prevent people with concealed weapon permits from walking across a state university campus with a gun. They just couldn't enter any building or arena."

[Wolfie]

No one want criminals or the mentally ill to get guns.

So how do we stop it?

Rights of legal gun owners should be expanded while ending the ways the bad guys can get guns.

[my_old_glock]

Did the person with the CCW even have a visual on the shooter, was he there before LEO's were? By all accounts, I've heard that LEO's were on scene almost immediately, which would mandate that anyone, CCW or not, stay out of the way and let the police do their job.


More laws aren't the answer, that will only impact law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they're called CRIMINALS!
People need to get involved. There are way too many apathetic sheeple in this country, and not enough sheep dogs.

The CCW was supposedly 200 yards away in a different part of the campus. The problem with having a CCW come to the rescue is that if another CCW from another part of the campus also came running to where the shooter was, the two CCW holders might think the other CCW holder was the shooter. If a CCW holder is at the location and sees the shooter than he/she can react.

From what I read on the California gun boards, a lot of CCW holders (from southern California) think they are their own one man special forces navy seal tactical SWAT police force. People like that bother me more than lone gunman.


I think the main problem is the do-gooders (both liberals and cucktards) want to make the US and the world in to some type of utopia. If they just let nature take its course, a lot of this crap would settle down.



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[Geeman]

No one want criminals or the mentally ill to get guns.

So how do we stop it?

Can't....  You cannot stop them from getting them if they are hell bent on it. 

Rights of legal gun owners should be expanded while ending the ways the bad guys can get guns.

My rights come from god and are inalienable.  Hard to expand beyond inalienable.

Greg

[Intercooler]

  All I keep reading about is how we should adopt what Australia did and how since 1996 they haven't experienced a mass shooting.

[sstewart]

What did they adopt?

[Geeman]

What did they adopt?

Google "1996 confiscation" and see what comes up.

Greg

[Intercooler]

Buy back of firearms. They banned all semi-auto firearms and I think pistols.

[Rojo27]

Barry and the mainstream media are having another one if their spasmmatic circle jerk, Liberal wet dream fantasies about government control again!  Just for giggles let's take a quick look at those to "examples of common sense gun safety" employed by those two countries shall we:

Australia bans all semi-automatic and pump rifles and shotguns. It requires purchasers to state a specific reason for buying any gun — personal protection is not a legitimate cause — and then wait nearly a month before receiving the firearm (IF approved). All firearm are registered and licensed, and the permits expire after five years. Australia also have very strict limits on ammunition.

It's even worse in England.  British citizens cannot own handguns or even pump-action shotguns.  The few guns available to law abiding citizens must be registered.  Very strict restrictions on type of ammunition are also enforced. 

That's what your Facebook friends, Barry & MSM would love to see here too; don't kid yourself a tiny bit!

[pacapcop]

No doubt. Oboinko always refers to Australia. Shooters British dad is anti gun. But where's his mom at. She's the one culpable I suspect. Resided with son KNOWINGLY  that he was  imbalanced.  This guy's parents were divorced for 10 years, same with Lanza and Columbine shooter. Just a factoid. No father's in life.

[Mr. AR50]

Did the person with the CCW even have a visual on the shooter, was he there before LEO's were? By all accounts, I've heard that LEO's were on scene almost immediately, which would mandate that anyone, CCW or not, stay out of the way and let the police do their job.


More laws aren't the answer, that will only impact law abiding citizens. Criminals don't care about laws, that's why they're called CRIMINALS!
People need to get involved. There are way too many apathetic sheeple in this country, and not enough sheep dogs.

The CCW was supposedly 200 yards away in a different part of the campus. The problem with having a CCW come to the rescue is that if another CCW from another part of the campus also came running to where the shooter was, the two CCW holders might think the other CCW holder was the shooter. If a CCW holder is at the location and sees the shooter than he/she can react.

From what I read on the California gun boards, a lot of CCW holders (from southern California) think they are their own one man special forces navy seal tactical SWAT police force. People like that bother me more than lone gunman.


I think the main problem is the do-gooders (both liberals and cucktards) want to make the US and the world in to some type of utopia. If they just let nature take its course, a lot of this crap would settle down.

I think you missed my point. I was responding to a libtard anchor on the Clinton News Network. She made the statement that ' There was indeed a man with a CCW on the campus when the shooting began, and yet he didn't confront the shooter. Having a CCW didn't do any good in this case.' I was pointing out, as you did, that in this case, the people with CCW did the right thing by doing nothing.
As for my comment about sheeple, I'm not advocating that people with CCW permits behave like Spec Ops, and go looking for a fight. The beauty of concealed carry is that the more people who are carrying, the more effective it is. If you have a shooter on a  college campus, and one lone person with a CWP, unless the shooter starts his rampage in the immediate vicinity of the CCW, it's probably best not to seek him out and engage him. However, if there are enough people carrying on campus to make it possible for every classroom to have at least one armed student, well, that deranged maniac shooter is probably going to have a rather brief rampage.

[Geeman]

From what I read on the California gun boards, a lot of CCW holders (from southern California) think they are their own one man special forces navy seal tactical SWAT police force. People like that bother me more than lone gunman.

I believe that's why many business owners refuse CC on their property.  I had a little smile on my face when someone coined the name "mall ninjas" to label the type.

Its one thing to watch the thing unfold in front of you.  To run to the scene and try to guess good guy from bad is a different thing all together.  You could fire at the plain clothes first responder trying to stop a bad situation, of you could draw heavy fire if mistaken for the nut case.

Greg

[DenStinett]

Buy back of firearms. They banned all semi-auto firearms and I think pistols.

Not sure how much of this is correct
Don't think they took (all) the Semi Auto Pistols
There are several CZ 75 (type) and KADET owners down there
I have sold several of my modded UpLULAs to Members of (one or both) CZForum(s) in different cities in OZ