GOP leader says only way to stop violence is to repeal Second Amendment

[sqlbullet]

One of the best decisions I ever made was to get ride of broadcast in my home.  No Antennae, no dish.  We get all our news online, and I have learned not to read articles that don't link to reputable sources for their information.

It is amazing how much BS gets filtered that way.

What is a reputable source?

A source published by a recognized researcher in the field in a peer reviewed journal.

Or

A peer reviewed and audited database where the data is verified to be normalized.  WISQARS would be a great example.

In other words, anything that has had the scientific method applied to it's results by multiple researchers at divergent locations.

[redbaron007]

You're taking his statement and twisting it. He wasn't advocating for repeal of the second amendment. His point was that in order to get rid of all gun crime, all guns must go away. As long as there are guns, there will be gun crime. His answer to the question was honest and logical, but doesn't mean he would support the 2nd amendment being repealed.

Exactly!

[Mongo]

In essence, I concur with sqlbullet....

We cannot attempt to govern the condition of the human heart without placing a heavy burden on those who traditionally follow the law.  Laws only communicate a standard of conduct to "good people".  Criminals will do as they please regardless. 

Murder has existed since the beginning: If its not guns then swords, not swords then hands or rocks....

Not sure how one can ban hands and rocks.

JDC

[Charlie_Zulu]

You're taking his statement and twisting it. He wasn't advocating for repeal of the second amendment. His point was that in order to get rid of all gun crime, all guns must go away. As long as there are guns, there will be gun crime. His answer to the question was honest and logical, but doesn't mean he would support the 2nd amendment being repealed.

Exactly!

At least somebody gets it.

Easy to spin if you leave out one sentence he said (noted in all caps below).

"Now maybe there's some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. I mean basically the only way to guarantee that we will dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to basically remove guns from society, and until somebody gets enough oomph to repeal the Second Amendment, that's not going to happen.  I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ANSWER".

I agree. I don't think it's an answer.

[sqlbullet]

The interesting thing is many of the founders thought the bill of rights was completely un-needed because the rights enumerated were so innate at the time.

IMHO the second amendment was worded the way it was not to limit the use of firearms to a military context, but to guarantee understanding the citizens needed access to military grade hardware.

Curiously, this was the exact rational that the supreme court used in Miller to uphold the 34 NFA.  Specifically, that short barreled rifles and shotguns and fully automatic firearms were not issue to the common infantryman.  Therefore, they argued, such guns enjoyed no protection.

As a result, I am huge fan of the Miller ruling.  Properly applied today, it means I should be able to readily buy without restriction a short barreled selective fire suppressed rifle, because that is exactly what the common infantryman of today is issued.  Further, such an application of the Miller ruling strikes down magazine capacity bans, as the typical soldier today is equipped with 30 round magazines.

[Desertrat]

Rove is just a White House "yes man" as are so many others, no matter what their party affiliation.
To be a Patriot, you have to accept the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and be willing to fight for
freedom over tyranny. To stop "gun violence, you need to stop gun criminals..." End of story!

[10mmfan]

I don't see the point in using the term "gun crime" if a person is killed with a knife/gun/car why is only the one killed with a gun matter.

[sqlbullet]

I don't see the point in using the term "gun crime" if a person is killed with a knife/gun/car why is only the one killed with a gun matter.

A point a cite all the time when discussing the role of guns in violence.  Or the role in drinking in automobile fatalities. Doesn't matter to me if the driver was inattentive due to inebriation or because they wanted to select their favorite Jay-Z playlist.

[Geeman]

The ONLY way to stop cyber crime is to ban the integrated circuit.

Greg

[Raggedyman]

That's actually not what he said, but thanks for reposting sensationalist click bait.

[1911baker]

If that's the case then I think Karl Rove (the architect) is a complete idiot!

[Pablo]

You're taking his statement and twisting it. He wasn't advocating for repeal of the second amendment. His point was that in order to get rid of all gun crime, all guns must go away. As long as there are guns, there will be gun crime. His answer to the question was honest and logical, but doesn't mean he would support the 2nd amendment being repealed.

Exactly!

At least somebody gets it.

Easy to spin if you leave out one sentence he said (noted in all caps below).

"Now maybe there's some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. I mean basically the only way to guarantee that we will dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to basically remove guns from society, and until somebody gets enough oomph to repeal the Second Amendment, that's not going to happen.  I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ANSWER".

I agree. I don't think it's an answer.

Yes thank you.

As much as I don't like Rove, you guys need to be very careful of the junk wolfie is trying to sell. HE is in favor of gun control. This kind of gun control:

"The left may have lost several battles, Everitt says, but the war for gun control will go on."

http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/07/02/eyes-on-the-prize-gun-control-advocates-see-success-on-the-horizon

[Wolfie]

Thats right Pablo, I agree with 92% of gun owners who want background checks. I also want national reciprocity.

I also agree with Trump on securing the border.

PS: The left keeps winning, gay marriage the ACA just last week. Liberals have been winning since 1776 and I hope you celebrated them for creating the greatest nation in the world on her birthday.

[Pablo]

The "92%" is doubtful.

But, really, don't deflect - why did you post the original link in the first place?

I mean dude, you wrote:

Republican strategist Karl Rove said on "Fox News Sunday" the only way to stop gun-related violence, like the Wednesday massacre at Emmanuel African Methodist Church in Charleston S.C., was to repeal American citizens' Second Amendment rights.What do you think?

When you knew he didn't say that. What is your point?

[Charlie_Zulu]

What is your point?