Here we Go Again!

[The_Shadow]

I just finished reading the NRA's American Rifleman article Loading Bench by Layne Simpson the Resurgent: The 10mm Auto  I like an article about the 10mm cartridge and guns but this one stinks!

Guys all I can say is this is an over packed advertisement piece, as they mention just about every gun an ammo maker as part of their selling gimmicks.  While they show the EAA Witness pictured it was all about yet again 1911 style guns and they were used for the testing of their anemic handloads and factory ammo.  For being a Loading Bench story, Only two handloads were shown one being Silhouette and Blue Dot...both being the newer lawyer document loading manual fodder.

While the author claims to have been a 10mm fan since the beginning, his choices to test with are still 1911 pistols and trying to give those makers their commercialism to keep them happy and paying the bills...He probably got the guns on loan for the bill payers.  For being interested in the 10mm since the beginning, Mr. Layne Simpson doesn't mention if he owns any of the 10mm chambered guns used in the article or having any 10mm chambered as part of his collection...

This is the kind of BS, that has put the 10mm on the back burner where it simmer away to vapor...

There are people here on this site, that have a greater love for the 10mm cartridge and guns chambered in 10mm, than this guy ever will and they also know of the true ballistic potential 10mm is capable of from shooter's point of aim and also a handloaders perspective.

Sorry to be so damn negative about the article, but to me, it just reads as an extended advertisement! Overwhelmingly use of 1911 and even mentioning 45ACP and 9mm as part of the story.

[Wolfie]

Does anyone know the sales breakdown when it comes to 10mm's?

Do they sell more 1911's Glocks or EAA pieces.

Love all of them but my favorite is the basic Delta Elite.

[The_Shadow]

I'd venture to say there are more Glocks being used in the 10mm offering because of price and availability...
The new Sig Sauer P220 wasn't shown or tested.  None of the older 6 models of Smith and Wesson work horses were used to test.  The Bren Ten were not either.  No revolver either...

Does the author even own a gun chambered in 10mm?

[Centimeter]

I'd venture to say there are more Glocks being used in the 10mm offering because of price and availability...
The new Sig Sauer P220 wasn't shown or tested.  None of the older 6 models of Smith and Wesson work horses were used to test.  The Bren Ten were not either.  No revolver either...

Does the author even own a gun chambered in 10mm?

This sounds worthy of writing a letter to the editor. I mean, as a consumer of their product and an actual fan of the 10mm Auto I'd say you have a pretty legitimate gripe with their "reporting." You made several very valid points that I think are worthy of bringing to the editor's attention and, possibly, including in the next issue (maybe with an explanation from American Rifleman?) Not sure how much time or energy you have to invest in this but it certainly couldn't hurt.

[The_Shadow]

I was just on the NRA's facebook page, and was going to make a statement but I will wait for them to post the article then say my piece.

If you want to see something, pick up any gun magazine and count the times that 1911 and 45ACP are displayed or mentioned.  It is like they are the only combination that exist.  Every gun maker has their own 1911, after all the CNC info was public at one time. 

Back in 1980's as the 10mm was taking on its development, I read and looked for info centering around the cartridge, ballistics and the guns being made to shoot the 10mm.  I passed on the Bren Tens back then, none were to be had locally, the magazine issue also played into me not obtaining one back then.  Colt came out with the DE in a 1911 style, it lacked chamber support more than halfway around the casing.  But S&W produced the 1006 with adjustable sights with a 5" barrel, a magazine which held 9+1, it showed up locally and bought it right there on the spot.  Still have it!  Still shoot it!

While the S&W sort of looks like a 1911 it is not.  It was made to handle the 10mm power from the start, Stainless Steel, proof tested ramped barrels, built like a tank!  But yet when you saw the writings of the S&W pistols there was some negativity as the compared them to the 1911's...

Same for the "plastic guns", Glocks were always being pushed aside.  But they are a simple pistol, fewer parts, easy to maintain and the 10mm ones have been capable shooters.  The Ka-Booms have shown because of ammunition with setback issues, or overloaded stuff, even though case blowouts resulted from lack of feed ramp support of the gun.

To me it just seems like if it is not a 1911 or 45ACP it is not worthy of a proper writeup and fair evaluation!

[4949shooter]

There are a lot of 1911 fanatics out there. My shooting partner lives and breathes 1911. And everything he owns is in 45 ACP. He talks a big talk about getting a 1911 in 10mm, but hasn't pulled the trigger and probably never will.

[Wolfie]

Honestly the more 10mm talk the better.

I am a 1911 fanboy first and got my Delta, RZ, Eclipse and Hunter. If I did not have the Delta I would have never bought the G29 and Sig 220.

Thats a good thing it builds of support and broadens the base.

The more the merrier, now lets get S&W to produce its 10mm in pistol and revolver.

[Intercooler]

I don't own a 1911 or .45ACP  At one point I have messed with both of them and ended up disappointed 

[shaneshot]

I really like my 1911. .45 is one of my go to calibers. Kinda like a wheel gun, can't have a collection without at least one. However, in an auto, what's not to love about the 10mm? Even blocks, not a fan, but have an earned reputation. Expand a mind, enjoy the hobby!

[sstewart]

No trying to flame 1911, I have 2. RIA Tac II. One in .45 one in 10mm. The .45 is dead reliable. The 10mm not so much. Shoots accurate, but FTF  like 2 per mag of 9. Re-rack slide then feeds in.
Same hand loads fire reliably in EAA limited and Match.. Sure fuss with springs, fuss with mags, fuss with new mag springs.
Sometimes you just want to shoot the thing.
I think the OAL of 10mm is on the edge for 1911. Some guns run, some are fussy.
Must be the mags .....

[The_Shadow]

The 45ACP has a COAL 1.2750" with BALL ammo, where the 10mm is 1.2500"- 1.2600"

However different bullet designs do require shorter COAL's because if the tipping angle.

[10mmfan]

The lucky gunner had a better article.  http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/10mm-auto-the-once-and-future-king/

[Centimeter]

I don't think it's anything of note that the gun that was designed for the .45 ACP cartridge has not problem with it whereas the gun that was adapted for the 10mm has problems with it. The 1911 had almost an 80 year head start on working well with the .45 ACP and the 10mm Auto has been around for not even half as long. That being said: I know there will always be those who favor the 1911 or the .45 above all else, come hell or high water, much the same there are those who will support the 10mm Auto until their dying breath so that much I don't have a problem with (to each their own, as it were). However, I think Shadow has a legitimate gripe with American Rifleman having a relatively lackluster opinion of the 10mm Auto in an article that is supposed to be devoted to all things 10mm Auto. Having an opinion about something is great, but to be a source of in-depth, well researched, and trusted information on something means (to me) that your opinion should, at the very least, be slightly more well-rounded than the one in the article mentioned. I don't know if it says anything about the magazine or it's editor or the staff as a whole or if it was merely written as a thinly veiled advertisement or anything but I think some of us can agree that it definitely contained a certain amount of "fluff" that just didn't pass the sniff-test. I agree that any and all press for the 10mm Auto is a welcome addition but I just wish it was a little more fair to all the players in the game is all. Shadow, do you agree?

[SavageOne]

Have to say, I am an unabashed 1911 fanboy. Own 6 of them, and 3 are in 45ACP. One of the others is the gun that turned me on to 10mm. I doubt if I am alone there. Let's look at some facts though, the 1911 style firearm is one, if not the, most prolific designs in this country and 45ACP is the number one chambering for that design for 100+ years. If we had been left with only the S&W as the only 10mm platform in the 80s, I fear that the 10mm would be a thing of the past.

Are there different platforms out there now, just as good or even better? Yep. Would the rest of the American shooting culture be able to as readily identify with them? Nope. The 1911 is, for better or worse, America's semi-auto pistol, just like the Colt Peacemaker is America's revolver. Is it a pain in the toches( yeah I'm bringing back) that other great 10mm guns may get lost in the hype? Definitely.

I will say this though, the 1911 brought me to the 10mm and the 10mm brought me to all the others. That is not really a bad thing.

[sstewart]

The RIA was my first 10mm as well. I am not bashing 1911s. I just think other pistols are more reliable. Thats the thing about guns. Two of the same make & model. One runs perfect and the other doesn't.